Civil war

**Veritas** · 7/29/2010, 05:17 PM

So I was talking with a friend of mine who is the least crack-pot person that I know. He's a naturalized citizen with his masters in econometrics. Smartest dude I know.

He made the statement that he thinks that the US is headed toward another Civil War, a shooting war. I, of course, thought this was hilarious, and after I got done laughing, I realized he was serious...and we got to talking about it.

His reasons are as follows:
1) Nobody (or nobody any of us know) feels like they have a voice in government, regardless of how much money you make. The guy taking my money for gas feels just as disenfranchised as me, a guy who finds himself in the highest tax bracket. My liberal friends feel fundamentally the same way; their great black hope has failed them and they're still voiceless.

2) States are starting to take matters into their own hands where the federal government has failed to do its job. The Feds aren't protecting the border, so Arizona is going to the mattresses to stauch the inflow of illegal aliens. What's are the feds doing? Stepping in and over ruling the states.

3) It wouldn't take as much to start as we think. Let's say Arizona gets fed up and decides to defy the Federal government, even going so far as to secede. The Feds wouldn't let that happen and we'd have another Fort Sumter situation.

I don't really see this as a partisan thought process. It seems to me that with few exceptions, the citizenry is unhappy with the federal government and is growing moreso; again, I see this in my conservative gun-nut friends and with my liberal tree-hugger friends.

Crazy or not?

85Sooner · 7/29/2010, 05:24 PM

I think it would be smart to be on the side of the gun nuts than the tree huggers.

**StoopTroup** · 7/29/2010, 05:26 PM

I believe a drug test will be needed from both of you before I can begin to put together any possible theories.

Okla-homey · 7/29/2010, 05:45 PM

While there may be sporadic rioting and acts of violence coming, I don't think we're in store for any organized large scale insurrections.

Particularly because localities don't have the means to arm and equip a force capable of manuever and delivering indirect fires on par with the force the government has available.

Also, we don't have a generation of teen-aged men primed, willing and able to shoulder a musket and endure incredible hardship in the field in opposition to Federal forces. Instead, we have a raft of flip-flop wearing goobers who have been raised on soccer and Coldplay. The manliest of whom are already in the Armed Forces and would be shooting said goobers.

That's not to say things can't get hairy. But Civil War, a-la 1861? Nope.

I think the biggest threat regular folks would face would be general riotousness until government forces get it tamped back down. And I think that is a distinct possibility.

**Frozen Sooner** · 7/29/2010, 05:49 PM

Heh. I just had a thought of an armed brigade of SicEms scootering into battle.

**SoonerStormchaser** · 7/29/2010, 05:53 PM

Nah...they'd drive in the wrong direction getting to the battle and end up 200 miles away from their intended destination.

Tulsa_Fireman · 7/29/2010, 06:00 PM

You can't go into the heat of battle all liquored up on Zima!

It's unamerican!

ndpruitt03 · 7/29/2010, 06:06 PM

I don't see the Tea Party side of things really starting any violence. So I really doubt it. I think we could see our government collapse in the next decade or so because of all the money they are spending. Eventually it'll just run out of money and become worthless.

If there is a war over the immigration deal it'll be between us and Mexico which I don't see lasting that long because Mexico is extremely inefficient at everything.

SicEmBaylor · 7/29/2010, 06:11 PM

Our next civil war will be our first.

**StoopTroup** · 7/29/2010, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veritas

So I was talking with a friend of mine who is the least crack-pot person that I know. He's a naturalized citizen with his masters in econometrics. Smartest dude I know.

He made the statement that he thinks that the US is headed toward another Civil War, a shooting war. I, of course, thought this was hilarious, and after I got done laughing, I realized he was serious...and we got to talking about it.

His reasons are as follows:
1) Nobody (or nobody any of us know) feels like they have a voice in government, regardless of how much money you make. The guy taking my money for gas feels just as disenfranchised as me, a guy who finds himself in the highest tax bracket. My liberal friends feel fundamentally the same way; their great black hope has failed them and they're still voiceless.

2) States are starting to take matters into their own hands where the federal government has failed to do its job. The Feds aren't protecting the border, so Arizona is going to the mattresses to stauch the inflow of illegal aliens. What's are the feds doing? Stepping in and over ruling the states.

3) It wouldn't take as much to start as we think. Let's say Arizona gets fed up and decides to defy the Federal government, even going so far as to secede. The Feds wouldn't let that happen and we'd have another Fort Sumter situation.

I don't really see this as a partisan thought process. It seems to me that with few exceptions, the citizenry is unhappy with the federal government and is growing moreso; again, I see this in my conservative gun-nut friends and with my liberal tree-hugger friends.

Crazy or not?

See....My deal is that when I see Veritas Talking to this guy...I see it happening kind of like this....

SunnySooner · 7/29/2010, 06:25 PM

This is an interesting post to me. I just got off a cruise with a Jacksonville FL police officer as table mate, and he made very similar comments, adding that those folks in places like Oklahoma, who own and know how to use a weapon, will be the only ones prepared for what is coming. He said repeatedly, "People don't know, they just don't know what is coming, and it's not good." And he was sober. I don't know the future, I don't own a crystal ball, but I'm hopeful that the discontent and disgust that many in the general populace feel leads to meaningful changes and not bloodshed. We are such a YOUNG country, we're the baby of the world, we're the superpower only because of our natural resources and population. The older I get, the more I like term limits, because career politicians are not a good thing. When all that matters is re-election, they will sell their childrens' souls to secure it. And that is not what is best for this country.

Okla-homey · 7/29/2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SunnySooner

This is an interesting post to me. I just got off a cruise with a Jacksonville FL police officer as table mate, and he made very similar comments, adding that those folks in places like Oklahoma, who own and know how to use a weapon, will be the only ones prepared for what is coming. He said repeatedly, "People don't know, they just don't know what is coming, and it's not good." And he was sober. I don't know the future, I don't own a crystal ball, but I'm hopeful that the discontent and disgust that many in the general populace feel leads to meaningful changes and not bloodshed. We are such a YOUNG country, we're the baby of the world, we're the superpower only because of our natural resources and population. The older I get, the more I like term limits, because career politicians are not a good thing. When all that matters is re-election, they will sell their childrens' souls to secure it. And that is not what is best for this country.

Meanwhile, they have the goods on Charlie Rangel, age 80 something, who has been living the dream on the gubmint dime and not paying his fair share of taxes for decades, WHILE BEING HEAD OF THE HOUSE CMTE THAT MAKES TAX LAW, yet his popularity in his Harlem district is comparable to that of Fidel in 1960's Havana. Yup. This country needs an enema. And the nozzle needs to be inserted in DC. And before the apologist screeds begin, yes, I know. He's a Donk. And he's black. And I'm not. But he is not worthy to be in the Congress if this stuff is proven. Period. In fact, maybe he can be Randy Cunningham's (R-CA) roomie in the federal pen.

SicEmBaylor · 7/29/2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Okla-homey

Meanwhile, they have the goods on Charlie Rangel, age 80 something, who has been living the dream on the gubmint dime and not paying his fair share of taxes for decades, WHILE BEING HEAD OF THE HOUSE CMTE THAT MAKES TAX LAW, yet his popularity in his Harlem district is comparable to that of Fidel in 1960's Havana. Yup. This country needs an enema. And the nozzle needs to be inserted in DC. And before the apologist screeds begin, yes, I know. He's a Donk. And he's black. And I'm not. But he is not worthy to be in the Congress if this stuff is proven. Period. In fact, maybe he can be Randy Cunningham's (R-CA) roomie in the federal pen.

He came out of his ethics hearing today and tried to hide behind his Korean War service. I respect the fact that he fought for his nation, but it's pretty sleazy to hide behind that when you're clearly a crook.

Crucifax Autumn · 7/29/2010, 07:45 PM

This hardly counts as service anyway:

**StoopTroup** · 7/29/2010, 07:50 PM

I will be the last man standing...I have a super soaker filled with MRSA and an enviromental suit in my arsenal.

oudavid1 · 7/29/2010, 08:39 PM

Slavery was a big deal, it was the definition of states rights vs federal rights, i dont see an issue like immigration tearing the nation apart. I think its an issue we all have the same opinion (that you have to be legal) on. How many states away from the border would really care, they dont have alot of illegals in Nebraska and Ohio, they might deal with some Canadians but not like in Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, and California.

MR2-Sooner86 · 7/29/2010, 08:46 PM

The hardware is already there.

U.S. most armed country with 90 guns per 100 people

Guns purchased since Obama's presidency could outfit the armies of China and India

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Originally Posted by Okla-homey

We have a raft of flip-flop wearing goobers who have been raised on soccer and Coldplay. The manliest of whom are already in the Armed Forces and would be shooting said goobers.

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, veterans, peace officers, and firefighters who will fulfill the oath we swore to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
We Oath Keepers have drawn a line in the sand. We will not “just follow orders.”

The real question is, when do you have a group of people that says, "**** IT!" and decides to take matters into their own hands?

**StoopTroup** · 7/29/2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MR2-Sooner86

The real question is, when do you have a group of people that says, "**** IT!" and decides to take matters into their own hands?

I think that would be Arizona. At least I'd say it's a notable event if something turns things that way in a few more States...especially Border States IMHO.

SicEmBaylor · 7/29/2010, 09:28 PM

I don't care what the next "civil war" is over or what the sides are -- once it starts I'm putting on my gray uniform and declaring open season on any yankee I find.

**StoopTroup** · 7/29/2010, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SicEmBaylor

I don't care what the next "civil war" is over or what the sides are -- once it starts I'm putting on my gray uniform and declaring open season on any yankee I find.

You have made arrangements for your final wishes right? If not I think I know a guy who can help.