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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    Quote Originally Posted by 8timechamps View Post
    You didn't read all the posts in this thread did you? It clearly states that my opinion of food, music and pretty much everything else sucks...

    To much of that, I don't disagree.
    I dont care about all of that but you said what EVERYONE on here needs to read
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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    Get a Room!

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    8TIMECHAMPS, your point is well-taken. And I am not saying that anybody should be fired. I realize that the Arizona offense does not compare to the offenses of the BIG 12. But there is a big difference in the level of intensity between the Arizona/USC defenses and that of OU. USC has an in-your-face,slobberknocker defense and OU's seems to be more of a finesse, bend- don't-break defense. I know that there are many on this board who know alot more about this than I do. I'm just a diehard sooner fan living in Socal who wants OU to win. This is just my perception for what its worth.

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    I think the disappointing thing about the defense is how easily other teams are scoring TD's this season, as compared to FG's in the past; hell i remember having this argument about how many yards we were giving up in certain games from past seasons, but the d would at least keep other teams out of the end zone; we just don't have that ability this season

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    The offenses in this league are making the defenses look really bad, right now. It's easy to see that the DC's for the B12 have not yet figured it out. Give'em time. In the meantime, we just need to hang on. Maybe, just maybe, our DC will figure it out.

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fraggle145 View Post
    Heh, look at the numbers put up in the SEC today... great defenses my ***

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    We're a Top 25(ish) defense with Top 5-10 recruits. They're playing undisciplined, and they're being poorly coached. If it takes us going back to slow, creaky guys to play well, bring 'em on. Yes, a win is a win... but a loss is a loss, too, and, if we keep playing the way that we've played on defense so far this season, we can expect that loss. It's just a matter of "when." Typically, it's been against one team during the season, and then against whoever we play in our bowl game. The last time we won a bowl game based on a defensive effort was when Mike Stoops was still on staff.

    Sure, we won a bowl game against Oregon, but that was due to an outstanding athletic play by an athletic defender... not because he was in great position or anything. If his vertical leap had been 1" lower, that was going to go for six.

    I'd be comfortable with bringing in someone else to scheme the defense and let BV coach fundamentals, since SOMEBODY needs to, and he's as good a candidate as anybody...

    (That's something that the rest of you should start doing too, by the way. Try to find a way to say BV's name and the word "candidate" in the same sentence as often as possible. Maybe we can get him a head coaching job subliminally.)

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    Again, the argument that, "The big 12 is hard. They throw the ball too much. We suck because they're big meaniepants." would only hold water if we were superb by big 12 standards.

    We aren't.

    We are, what, 5th or 6th best amongst Big-12 teams in total defense during Big-12 play?

    Everyone in the Big-12 has to play Big-12 teams, so when you compare conference stats, you're grading on a curve which allows for the "meaniepants" factor.

    Even by that standard, we're mediocre. Mediocre isn't good enough, this ain't BVs first season, it isn't like he hasn't had a chance. He had one pretty decent defensive season -- 2006, and I don't see how going 1 for 5 is enough to keep his job around here.

    Heck, I think I'd be pretty content with 3 of 5. Give me a solid, menacing defense 60 percent of the time, and I'll be happy. He hasn't. I'm not.

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedstickSooner View Post
    Even by that standard, we're mediocre. Mediocre isn't good enough, this ain't BVs first season, it isn't like he hasn't had a chance. He had one pretty decent defensive season -- 2006, and I don't see how going 1 for 5 is enough to keep his job around here.

    Heck, I think I'd be pretty content with 3 of 5. Give me a solid, menacing defense 60 percent of the time, and I'll be happy. He hasn't. I'm not.
    Really?

    National/Conference ranking

    Scoring Defense:

    2004: 11/1
    2005: 37/4
    2006: 19/1
    2007: 19/2

    Total Defense:

    2004: 13/1
    2005: 13/3
    2006: 16/1
    2007: 26/2

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    Quote Originally Posted by snp View Post
    Really?

    National/Conference ranking

    Scoring Defense:

    2004: 11/1
    2005: 37/4
    2006: 19/1
    2007: 19/2

    Total Defense:

    2004: 13/1
    2005: 13/3
    2006: 16/1
    2007: 26/2
    nice reply, however, these rankings are not good enough. We're OU.

    we should be no less than 2 every year in the Big 12, and no deeper than 10 nationally. again, we're the Sooners. Conference is made up of aggies, baylor, Kstate, a decade down Nebraska, etc, and we finish 3rd or 4th? Ridiculous. We have top 5 talent in the country. We should have top 5 offense and defense, if we have top 5 coaching and execution. Getting a little tiresome seeing these offenses gang rape the Sooners defense this season. Everyone was raving about all the speed we have/had. Why can't we use this speed? Something needs to change. Someone needs to start coaching this Defense or we may lose 2 more times before the end of the season, and suffer a 5th st8 embarrassment in a bowl game. All these excuses we're making for ourselves, reminds me of Horn fans. Disgusting.

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    heh

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey View Post
    heh
    yup, I'm going home now.
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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Remnant View Post
    8TIMECHAMPS, your point is well-taken. And I am not saying that anybody should be fired. I realize that the Arizona offense does not compare to the offenses of the BIG 12. But there is a big difference in the level of intensity between the Arizona/USC defenses and that of OU. USC has an in-your-face,slobberknocker defense and OU's seems to be more of a finesse, bend- don't-break defense. I know that there are many on this board who know alot more about this than I do. I'm just a diehard sooner fan living in Socal who wants OU to win. This is just my perception for what its worth.
    It's very hard to compare USC and OU on defense this year because of the different opponents. I don't think USC will play a really good offense during the regular season. OU has played 2 with 2 more to go. And 'SC probably has the most talent on defense in the country - certainly more talent than OU does. Combine the talent with weaker opponents and 'SC can play an aggressive style of defense and just over-whelm their opponents and not worry about getting burned very often. I haven't seen another D in any conference good enough to play that way. LSU tries to do that and they have 2 losses where the opponent put 50pts on the board.

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    Quote Originally Posted by jduggle View Post
    It's really simple, at least for this OU grad it is... the spread offenses are very good... but you can't play cover 2 zone against a spread offense unless you are absolutely sure you have a pass rush that can get to the QB and force him to make mistakes, and you have an all-world safety that will knock the daylights out of the receivers should they find themselves open in the seams. We have neither...

    TT is going to be a very difficult game. We have to hope Wilson has a good day calling plays because we are going to need all the points we can get.

    Bingo !!!


    We may be looking at a Holiday bowl year.. I'm not ready to give up yet though...

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    Quote Originally Posted by snp View Post
    Really?

    National/Conference ranking

    Scoring Defense:

    2004: 11/1
    2005: 37/4
    2006: 19/1
    2007: 19/2

    Total Defense:

    2004: 13/1
    2005: 13/3
    2006: 16/1
    2007: 26/2
    Some people don't care if we are among the best in the rankings. They won't be happy unless we're beating everyone 77-0 and have the #1 ranked offense and defense.

    The funny thing is, Stoops apparently doesn't have such a problem with BV (supported by the fact that he is still here after all those "mediocre" seasons). He knows a hell of a lot more about the situation than any of us do or will. I'll trust his judgment and enjoy the #4 ranking.

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    Could anyone else imagine the hilarity of USC's two 250-260 lb linebackers chasing around Texas Tech wide receivers?

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Remnant View Post
    Rather than relying on statistics to prove or disprove a point, just compare our tackling with other schools. Watch the poor tackling that went on in the KSU game and compare that with the slobberknockers that were meted out in the Arizona/USC game. There's no comparison. Throw the stats out the window. Just watch how well those two teams tackle.



    edit: gandalf - hilarity? SC has two GREAT linebackers, and the NFL draft will agree. i don't think it would be very hilarious watching 260 lb rey mauluga with his 4.5 speed run around smashing tech's receivers. i hate USC as much as the next guy, but come on they have two great linebackers, and a great defense.

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    I saw the title and thought:

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    Pete Carroll and SC, as much as I hate to say it, are money in a bowl game...with one exception...and that one was really close.

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    Re: It's NOT the defense...

    Graham Harrell could have a career day against us.

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