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    Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    These are the people that we are at war with.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

    Outrage as Muslim cleric likens women to 'uncovered meat'
    By RICHARD SHEARS Last updated at 16:10pm on 26th October 2006


    A Muslim cleric's claim that women who do not wear the veil are like 'uncovered meat' who attract sexual predators sparked outrage around Australia yesterday.

    Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, the nation's most senior Muslim cleric, compared immodestly-dressed women who do not wear the Islamic headdress with meat that is left uncovered in the street and is then eaten by cats.

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    Politicians including Prime Minister John Howard, community leaders and a large number of Muslims condemned the mufti's comments amid calls that he should be deported to Egypt, his country of origin.

    He has since been forced to apologise for his remarks.

    In a Ramadam sermon in a Sydney mosque, Sheik al-Hilali suggested that a group of Muslim men recently jailed for many years for gang rapes were not entirely to blame.

    There were women, he said, who 'sway suggestively' and wore make-up and immodest dress "and then you get a judge without mercy and gives you 65 years. But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he said, referring to the women victims.

    Addressing 500 worshippers on the topic of adultery, Sheik al-Hilali added: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it..whose fault is it - the cats or the uncovered meat?

    "The uncovered meat is the problem."

    He went on: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab (veil), no problem would have occurred."

    Women, he said, were 'weapons' used by Satan to control men.

    His comments, reported yesterday in the nationally-circulated newspaper The Australian, created a storm of outrage.

    It follows anger that erupted among Muslims in Britain earlier this month when MP Jack Straw said women who wear veils over their face can make community relations harder.

    But Sheik al-Hilali's has created an even bigger storm by using the uncovered meat example to accuse women who do not cover their heads and faces of tempting men.

    Prime Minister Howard labelled the mufti's comments as 'appalling and reprehensible', adding: "They are quite out of touch with contemporary values in Australia.

    "The idea that women are to blame for rapes is preposterous. I not only reject the comments, I condemn them unconditionally." Treasurer Peter Costello urged the Muslim community to condemn the comments and take action against the Sheik.

    "If you have a significant religious leader like this preaching to a flock in a situation where we've had gang rapes, in a way that seems to make it justifiable, or at least lighten the dehumanising and degrading extent of the offence."

    A close associate of the sheik, Keysar Trad, said the speech was about adultery, not rape. "He wasn't talking about standard norms of dress in Australia or any country, he wasn't talking about the hijab, he was talking about people who engage in extramarital sex."

    But Federal Sex Discrimination Commissioner Miss Pru Goward said there could be no backtracking over the comments. "He could be guilty of incitement to the crime of rape and should be deported," she said.
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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    We need to push islam and the fundamental followers to a far corner of the world and ignore them...
    Everything progressives do is aimed at weakening democracy, capitalism and the social and cultural institutions that support those things...... They are about subjugating people and being a ruling class.

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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    Women, he said, were 'weapons' used by Satan to control men.
    if i believed in God, i'd so agree with this statement

    his opinion may be extreme, but how wrong is it really? sure, a woman being raped isn't generally to blame, but how many times do you hear "look at how she was dressed" even in a joking manner

    as Puritanical as we are about nudity and sex in the US, that is almost like the pot calling the kettle black

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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    Quote Originally Posted by yermom
    if i believed in God, i'd so agree with this statement

    his opinion may be extreme, but how wrong is it really? sure, a woman being raped isn't generally to blame, but how many times do you hear "look at how she was dressed" even in a joking manner

    as Puritanical as we are about nudity and sex in the US, that is almost like the pot calling the kettle black



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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    They draw flies?

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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    Quote Originally Posted by handcrafted


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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    Quote Originally Posted by yermom
    if i believed in God, i'd so agree with this statement
    It is pretty hard to argue with.
    We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics. FDR.

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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    after thnking about this for a minute, Islam with regard to men seems very free. They don't have to take responsibility for anything and they blame almost everything they can on someone else. Here, the hottie Arab chicks.

    discuss...

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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    Quote Originally Posted by durka durka
    Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, the nation's most senior Muslim cleric, compared immodestly-dressed women who do not wear the Islamic headdress with meat that is left uncovered in the street and is then eaten by cats.
    i found this a little strange.

    anyone who's ever spent time in the middle east knows that you've got to dodge "uncovered" goat carcasses everytime you walk down the street.

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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    I believe its a sin for wimmins to wear too much clothing. That hajib thing is a weapon from Satan to **** men off.

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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, the nation's most senior Muslim cleric, is a ******rocket
    man, that word gets around.
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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    Quote Originally Posted by handcrafted


    fundamentally, what he's saying isn't so much different than what some religious leader here might say, just to a more extreme standard

    compare the veil/burka-durka outfits to something a traditional Pentacostal or Amish woman is told to wear

    then look at a place like France or Brazil

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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    Also:
    Prime Minister Howard labelled the mufti's comments as 'appalling and dildonic, adding: "They are quite out of touch with contemporary values in Australia.

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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    "The uncovered meat is the problem."
    This reminds me. If you're a "commando" style guy, then leaving your fly down after a restroom visit is a problem.

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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    Quote Originally Posted by KABOOKIE
    This reminds me. If you're a "commando" style guy, then leaving your fly down after a restroom visit is a problem.
    I would probably want to ask what you mean by "commando style guy".
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    Quote Originally Posted by yermom

    as Puritanical as we are about nudity and sex in the US, that is almost like the pot calling the kettle black
    Even if you think we are Puritanical, that still puts us a couple thousand years ahead of these jokers.
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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    totally off subject....


    is there any better title to have than "Mufti"?

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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    Quote Originally Posted by okienole3
    Even if you think we are Puritanical, that still puts us a couple thousand years ahead of these jokers.
    Werd. It's a common misconception that Puritans thought sex was evil. On the contrary, they openly endorsed sex as a benefit of marriage and a way to populate the colonies/USA with more Puritans. Yes, they did it for fun, too. Married couples only, of course, as designed.

    The Puritans drank beer, too.

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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    Addressing 500 worshippers on the topic of adultery, Sheik al-Hilali added: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it..whose fault is it - the cats or the uncovered meat?
    I'd like to think I have a little more sense and self-control than a cat. I may not be that much smarter than one at times, but it astounds me how reluctant the more extreme muslim types are of taking responsibility for themselves. I wonder if there is an arabic word for self-control.

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    Re: Women without veils are like uncovered meat

    Quote Originally Posted by okienole3
    Even if you think we are Puritanical, that still puts us a couple thousand years ahead of these jokers.
    i'm just saying it's the more extreme end of the scale

    of course if a male in the culture is not used to seeing the skin of the fairer sex unless it's time to get down to business and you combine that with the stone age version of human rights for women in their culture and you have a bad combination

    not that i'm condoning rape at all, but i can see how that might happen

    like was said earlier though, i can't believe there is no accountability from this Cleric's point of view on the men for their actions, like they are just animals obeying their base desires with no control over them

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