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    If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    WTF??? What BETTER place to kill people than at a freaking cemetery??? The PC crowd has now managed to even tie our soldier's hands. How sickening!

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    U.S. declines Taliban funeral target
    LOLITA C. BALDOR
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    WASHINGTON - The U.S. military acknowledged Wednesday that it considered bombing a group of more than 100 Taliban insurgents in southern Afghanistan but decided not to after determining they were on the grounds of a cemetery.

    The decision came to light after an NBC News correspondent's blog carried a photograph of the insurgents. Defense department officials first tried to block further publication of the photo, then struggled to explain what it depicted.

    NBC News claimed U.S. Army officers wanted to attack the ceremony with missiles carried by an unmanned Predator drone but were prevented under rules of battlefield engagement that bar attacks on cemeteries.

    In a statement released Wednesday, the U.S. military in Afghanistan said the picture - a grainy black-and-white photo taken in July - was given to a journalist to show that Taliban insurgents were congregating in large groups. The statement said U.S. forces considered attacking.

    "During the observation of the group over a significant period of time, it was determined that the group was located on the grounds of (the) cemetery and were likely conducting a funeral for Taliban insurgents killed in a coalition operation nearby earlier in the day," the statement said. "A decision was made not to strike this group of insurgents at that specific location and time."

    While not giving a reason for the decision, the military concluded the statement saying that while Taliban forces have killed innocent civilians during a funeral, coalition forces "hold themselves to a higher moral and ethical standard than their enemies."

    The photo shows what NBC News says are 190 Taliban militants standing in several rows near a vehicle in an open area of land. Gunsight-like brackets were positioned over the group in the photo.

    The photo appeared on NBC News correspondent Kerry Sanders' blog. Initially military officials called it an unauthorized release, but they later said it was given to the journalist.

    NBC News had quoted one Army officer who was involved with the spy mission as saying "we were so excited" that the group had been spotted and was in the sights of a U.S. drone. But the network quoted the officer, who was not identified, as saying that frustration soon set in after the officers realized they couldn't bomb the funeral under the military's rules of engagement.

    Defense Department officials have said repeatedly that while they try to be mindful of religious and cultural sensitivities, they make no promises that such sites can always be avoided in battle because militants often seek cover in those and other civilian sites.

    Mosques and similar locations have become frequent sites of violence in the U.S.-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and they have often been targets of insurgents and sectarian fighting in Iraq.

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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    Hey, we're just trying to get Michael Moore, Michael Crook, and Cindy Sheehan to like us.
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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    I was flipping through the channels this morning and that chick on foxnews morning show was going OFF about this. I agreed with everything she said!
    I would agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.

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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    seems this has more to do with the military's rules of engagement than it does with the "pc crowd"
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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatfield
    seems this has more to do with the military's rules of engagement than it does with the "pc crowd"
    Yup
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    You go Boy trying to follow your logic here Is like chasin a chicken .

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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatfield
    seems this has more to do with the military's rules of engagement than it does with the "pc crowd"

    Which have apparently changed due to the nature of the coverage of the war. Anybody remember the "wedding" that we tore up in Iraq a couple years ago?

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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    what's wrong with just having one big Taliban funeral

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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    Quote Originally Posted by usmc-sooner
    what's wrong with just having one big Taliban funeral
    Amen, brutha.

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    Couldn't they just have the drone fly around and hit the guys after they left the cemetery? It wouldn't have produced the same body count but they still would have gotten some of them. Or since they were fighting these guys earlier in the day, wouldn't a coalition unit be close by and they could have been sent in to ambush them after they left?
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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Beanbag
    Which have apparently changed due to the nature of the coverage of the war. Anybody remember the "wedding" that we tore up in Iraq a couple years ago?
    have they apparently changed? please provide me the date of the change if you could. tia
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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatfield
    have they apparently changed? please provide me the date of the change if you could. tia

    Geez, can you be any more difficult or bullheaded? Why don't you tell me all you know about military operations again, that's always entertaining. TIA.

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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    Dudes we havnt fought a war to Win since WW2 and if you read your history .At times that was suspect !
    just sayin

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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    Oh and whatever you do . Dont take Pics Nor allow em
    Nother Just sayin

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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy885
    Couldn't they just have the drone fly around and hit the guys after they left the cemetery? It wouldn't have produced the same body count but they still would have gotten some of them. Or since they were fighting these guys earlier in the day, wouldn't a coalition unit be close by and they could have been sent in to ambush them after they left?

    They all splintered and went back to their hideouts individually.

    Personally, our Rules of Engagement should prevent an attack like this from happening only when it puts civilians in harms way.

    If the only people attending the funeral were members of the Taliban, then we should have allowed those paying their last respects to the dearly departed to join them.
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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    Wait, let me see if I've got this straight...we're fighting the war on terror by Highlander rules?


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    **** yeah!! Duncan McLeod says there can be only one, beyonce.
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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    The last thing we need to do is start treating Afganistan the way the Soviets did. That didn't work out to well for them IMO.

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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    Yeah, I'm guessing they decided the risk of alienating a whole ****load of people over there by desecrating their dead with explosives wasn't worth the potential benefit.
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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    Quote Originally Posted by olevetonahill
    Dudes we havnt fought a war to Win since WW2 and if you read your history .At times that was suspect !
    just sayin
    So sad...but, so true!

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    Re: If we are going to have a war, can we please fight to win?

    Quote Originally Posted by proud gonzo

    **** yeah!! Duncan McLeod says there can be only one, beyonce.

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