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    Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    Here's my (umm... ...educated...) guess:

    1. Oklahoma City will NOT have NBA hoops during the 2007-2008 season. Sorry to disappoint. Don't despair though, NBA hoops are a sure thing, and long term, in OKC.

    2. OKC will very likely have NBA hoops in 2008-2009.

    3. OKC will almost assuredly have NBA hoops in 2009-2010.

    4. OKC will without question have NBA hoops in 2010-2011.

    Sorry to hedge so much. If I'm betting, I'm going with 2008-2009.

    There are actually several scenarios that could play out, but at the end of the day, all of them include a team in OKC, and all of them include Clay Bennett and his group as the owners of the OKC franchise.
    But prepare yourselves now: we will be without an NBA team in 2007-2008. Sorry, it's killing me maybe worse than anyone who reads this, but it's true.

    Here's the dealio:

    Clay Bennett wasn't kidding when he said he and his ownership group were going to give their best effort at creating a viable situation in Seattle. Does that mean he's going to make it easy for them? No. However, the new owner group is going to work hard to get Seattle, and/or the state of Washington, to build a new arena and strike a favorable lease. There is actually a better chance of that happening than the media gives credit to. Don't be totally surprised if it happens. If it does, you can kiss the Sonics franchise goodbye. That said, they are going to be very tough negotiators. Don't expect Seattle and Washington to get off easy. They are going to have to pay to play.

    If they don't, expect the Supersonics to be here in the fall of 2008. Why not 2007? Well, Clay gave Seattle 12 months to perform, putting something in place to build a new arena specifically. But remember, the deal doesn't close until October. Therefore, the city and state have until next October, or one month before the season starts, to put something together. Sorry, but if they don't do it, it will still be too late to move the team here for the '07-'08 season. If Seattle doesn't build an arena, the Sonics will play at least one season as a lame duck.

    Now, their lease actually keeps them bound through '10. However, the lease can probably have holes punched in it. It is AWFUL, as David Stern has said time and again. If an arena deal absolutely fails, Seattle would probably also prefer not to have several seasons of lame duck ball played to empty arenas. A buyout deal could probably be reached easily. The sonics pay, based on the lease I read the other night, somewhere between $1.2 and $1.5 million per year in rent. Likely, they could multiply the seasons they want to buy out by that number. Not a steep hill for someone who just paid $350 mil for a team, and who expects to see profits in OKC of several million per year, based on the recent Hornets experience.

    Speaking of the Hornets, what about them? Well, they're going back to NOLA. Next year. Whether NOLA is ready or not. And, it's probably not.

    But get ready folks, the Hornets are leaving. You can kiss Chris Paul, Desmond, D. West, Peja and the boys goodbye. Enjoy this next season, cheer like they will be here forever, but remember they won't. At least for now.

    Because George Shinn has ****ed off too many people. David Stern is one of those people, and the last person you want to **** of as an NBA owner is David Stern. So Stern is going to "allow" (read: force) Shinn to go back to NOLA next season. The same NOLA that hosted the worst-attended team in the league, BEFORE Katrina. The same NOLA that had very little corporate base for its NBA team BEFORE Katrina. The same NOLA where state officials bought Hornets tickets (with taxpayer dollars) and desperately passed them out to passersby, many of whom couldn't care less, to fill the house during the Hornets' games in the Big Easy last season, just so they could look good. The same NOLA where miles and miles of city still don't have electricity, where schools are closed, where they are still finding Katrina victims dead in houses, nearly a year later.

    The Hornets were going broke before Katrina, and unfortunately they will almost assuredly go broke upon their return. Within three years, two years, or maybe even one year. What can Shinn do about that? Well considering the NBA board of governors has final say over whether or not he moves the team again, or who he sells the team to, precious little.

    Basically, if NOLA can't support the team (and it's not very likely), he goes broke. And ultimately, has to sell. And if OKC doesn't have an NBA franchise in place, that is, if Seattle has put the wheels in motion to built an arena and has worked to retain the Sonics, who do you think his best bet is to sell to? That's right, an owner in a city where the team still has some value. Oklahoma City. And who might that owner be? An ownership group led by none other than Clay Bennett and Aubrey McClendon.

    At this point, I haven't completely defined my (educated) guess, but I guess it's possible George Shinn would be offered a trade for the Supersonics. Not a bad deal for him, as they would in this scenario be stabilized, with a new arena. But I guess it's possible that he could be frozen out totally. I guess it depends on how bad he ****es people off between now and then.

    But get ready to bump this thread next year when it looks like OKC won't have a team at all. Hopefully my theories will make you feel a little bit better about the situation. Tust me, it's going to look that way at some point. This is going to be a bit of a roller coaster ride. I would bet money on OKC not having a team during the 2007-2008 season. But after that, there are several things that could happen, and all of them ultimately bring the NBA hoop back to our fair city.
    Well, crap.

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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    i will really suck to have to change teams

    i'm getting kinda attached to CP3, et al

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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    Quote Originally Posted by yermom
    i will really suck to have to change teams
    Pucker up, handsome!


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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    Who cares about the NBA, its the WNBA that really counts.

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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    keep telling yourself that

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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    I want Jed's job. Hey Jed - you retiring anytime soon?
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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerInKCMO
    I want Jed's job. Hey Jed - you retiring anytime soon?
    There's only one Mayor. Jimminy has next dibs.

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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    Quote Originally Posted by yermom
    i will really suck to have to change teams

    i'm getting kinda attached to CP3, et al
    Well, you might not have to. Don't buy Sonics gear just yet, is all I'm saying. At least wait until it's for sure that they don't have a deal done.

    Unfortunately, that might mean cheering the Hornets while they play to a tomb in NOLA for a season or two. But I wouldn't throw away my Hornets gear until the Sonics make an announcement that they are moving to OKC.

    Well, frankly, I'll never throw away my Hornets gear. Even if they never come back.

    But I'll say this: at some point it is pretty likely that it will look like OKC is on the outside looking in, and won't have any franchise whatsoever. Remember this thread, and don't believe it.
    Well, crap.

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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    Look @ Jed--flying in stealth mode.

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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    Stealth mode my ***. I'm out and proud.
    Well, crap.

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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedJed
    Stealth mode my ***. I'm out and proud.
    So that explains all of your Metrosechsal qualities

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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...



    BRJ, that's what i'm saying, i can't just change teams now... i think i'd have a bit of a hard time getting into the Supersonics

    i'm sure in the long run it won't matter as long as we have a team here. and a year off would probably help get people excited about a new team... or the old one

    the thing with moving the Hornets back to NOLA reaks of PCness, no one wants to be the one to say that it doesn't make sense

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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    Quote Originally Posted by yermom
    the thing with moving the Hornets back to NOLA reaks of PCness, no one wants to be the one to say that it doesn't make sense
    Agreed.

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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    Quote Originally Posted by yermom


    BRJ, that's what i'm saying, i can't just change teams now... i think i'd have a bit of a hard time getting into the Supersonics

    i'm sure in the long run it won't matter as long as we have a team here. and a year off would probably help get people excited about a new team... or the old one

    the thing with moving the Hornets back to NOLA reaks of PCness, no one wants to be the one to say that it doesn't make sense
    I feel the same way.

    This whole deal with the Sonics has me kinda worried. I don't think people will want to support them like they did the Hornets simply because they've become too attached to the Hornets players. They're only going to get more attached this coming season with Peja playing here.

    If Bennett brings in the Sonics and people are still ****ed because of losing CP3, David West and Peja, I'm afraid they'll retaliate by not supporting the Sonics. Then we lose all hope of ever keeping a major-league franchise in this city.

    I think Bennett made his move a little too early. If he had waited until the situation with Hornets played out, people would be more than grateful that he went out and got us another team. The way it appears now, the NBA has no reason to want to keep the Hornets here, we already have our foot in the door with Sonics. In a way, it's like he's forced the Hornets back to NO.

    Hopefully, this is all just paranoia on my part (it probably is).

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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    New owners tell Oklahoma fans: You're the backup plan
    If 12 months of negotiations in Seattle don't produce an acceptable arena, and if the Hornets go back to New Orleans as planned, then yes, his intention is to move the Sonics to Oklahoma City.
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...875_okc21.html

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    Heh. If that article ran in the Oklahoman the headline would be "New owners tell Seattle: We expect you to fail."
    ... that's not food.

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    Actually it would probably be

    "OKC will have to wait.

    A.

    Year."
    ... that's not food.

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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    Quote Originally Posted by sitzpinkler
    people are still ****ed because of losing CP3, David West and Peja,

    See, that's what's wrong. Why would anyone be mad about losing them? They aren't OKC's to begin with. We have had a nice treat. I prefer to be happy about the time that we do have together rather than be mad at them going back to thier rightful home. And I really want them to stay.

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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerBoarder
    See, that's what's wrong. Why would anyone be mad about losing them? They aren't OKC's to begin with. We have had a nice treat. I prefer to be happy about the time that we do have together rather than be mad at them going back to thier rightful home. And I really want them to stay.
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    Re: Alright OKC NBA hoop fans...

    And you could think that those that never supported the Hornets because they didn't like them before they got here can now like the Sonics.

    Those kinds of fans are easily replaced.

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