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    July 18, 1984 Twenty-one people are shot to death at McDonald's



    On this day twenty-two years ago, former welder James Oliver Huberty opens fire in a crowded McDonald's restaurant in San Ysidro, California, killing 21 people and wounding 15 others with several weapons. Minutes earlier, Huberty had left home, telling his wife, "I'm going hunting . . . hunting for humans." The crime would become known as the "McMurders."


    Huberty

    Huberty, who had a history of mental problems, lost his welding job in Canton, Ohio the previous year. He brought his family to San Diego and worked as a security guard until he was fired again, a month before the shootings. His wife claimed that the day before, Huberty called a mental health clinic to make an appointment for counseling but was never called back. She said he muttered, "Society had their chance."

    Neighbors described him as very angry. His bumper sticker read: "I'm not deaf, I'm ignoring you."


    US-Mex border at San Ysidro looking south into Mexico

    On the day of his meltdown, Huberty walked into a San Ysidro, CA McDonald's two miles from the Mexican border and demanded that the 45 patrons get on the floor. He then walked around the restaurant, calmly shooting people.


    Scene of the crime. Its torn down now.

    Huberty used a nine-millimeter Uzi automatic (the primary weapon fired in the massacre), a Winchester pump-action twelve-gauge shotgun, and a nine-millimeter Browning "Hi-Power" semi-automatic pistol in the restaurant, killing 21 people and wounding 19 others.

    Huberty's victims were predominantly Mexican and Mexican-American and ranged in age from eight months to 74 years. The massacre began at 4 p.m. and lasted for 77 minutes. By the time it was over, Huberty had fired 257 rounds.

    He killed 20 in the first ten minutes, including four who tried to escape. There were so many shots fired that the police first assumed that there was more than one gunman inside. Firing at a fire truck that responded to the scene, Huberty also grazed one firefighter with a bullet.

    An hour after the shooting began, an employee managed to escape through the basement and inform the SWAT team that Huberty was alone and without hostages. With this information, sharpshooters were told to "take him out."

    The fifth shot by SWAT marksmen tore through Huberty's chest and killed him. After making sure that he was dead, police finally entered the restaurant. San Diego Police Chief William Kolender said, "I hope to God I never see such a thing again.


    A job app filled-out and signed by Huberty with a big notation by the HR department. I found this thing for sale on a crime memorabilia website.

    On 26 September 1984, McDonald's tore down the restaurant where the massacre occurred and gave the property to the city, which opened San Ysidro Southwestern Community College there. In front of the school is a memorial to the massacre victims, consisting of 21 hexagonal granite pillars ranging in height from one to six feet.

    In 1986 Etna Huberty, his widow, unsuccessfully sued McDonald's and Babcock and Wilcox, James Huberty's longtime former employer, in an Ohio state court for $7.88 million, claiming that the massacre was triggered by the combined mixture of McDonald's food which Huberty very often ate and work around poisonous metals.

    She alleged that monosodium glutamate in the food, combined with the high levels of lead and cadmium in Huberty's body, induced delusions and uncontrollable rage. An autopsy did reveal high levels of the metals, most likely built up from fumes inhaled during 14 years of welding. Autopsy results also revealed there were no drugs or alcohol in his system at the time of the killings.

    As mentioned earlier, on the day before the massacre, Huberty had called a mental health center hot line. The receptionist misspelled his name on intake. Since he had not claimed there was an immediate emergency, his call was not returned.

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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    Quote Originally Posted by Okla-homey
    In 1986 Etna Huberty, his widow, unsuccessfully sued McDonald's and Babcock and Wilcox, James Huberty's longtime former employer, in an Ohio state court for $7.88 million, claiming that the massacre was triggered by the combined mixture of McDonald's food which Huberty very often ate and work around poisonous metals.
    Wow, that is some serious nerve.

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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    Quote Originally Posted by Okla-homey

    US-Mex border at San Ysidro looking south into Mexico
    Spek to whoever notices what's interesting/telling about this picture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Okla-homey
    Huberty used a nine-millimeter Uzi automatic (the primary weapon fired in the massacre), a Winchester pump-action twelve-gauge shotgun, and a nine-millimeter Browning "Hi-Power" semi-automatic pistol
    This made me think of the scene in the Terminator when Arnold goes into the gun shop and starts picking out his weapons.

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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    Limited traffic going south, lots waiting to get back in?
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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    There's a ton of cars heading north, and none heading south?
    The color Orange is just Crimson, with a whole lot of yellow in it

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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    The fans on here are known for their objectivity, fair play, open minded welcoming of others, debating in an upfront, firm, but respectful manner.....TexasLidig8r 11/21/04

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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    Quote Originally Posted by BajaOklahoma
    Limited traffic going south, lots waiting to get back in?
    Yes! Spek coming your way. Selma gets it too just because it was the same minute.

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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    Lots of people coming North, but none South?

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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    Homey - how do you come up with the topics for your daily history lesson? If I'd been thinking, I'd've suggested something about the KC Hyatt Regency for yesterday - 25 year anniversary of the skywalk collapse.
    We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics. FDR.

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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerInKCMO
    Homey - how do you come up with the topics for your daily history lesson? If I'd been thinking, I'd've suggested something about the KC Hyatt Regency for yesterday - 25 year anniversary of the skywalk collapse.

    Why do you hate Homey?

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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    Cause he's funny looking.
    We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics. FDR.

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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerInKCMO
    Homey - how do you come up with the topics for your daily history lesson? If I'd been thinking, I'd've suggested something about the KC Hyatt Regency for yesterday - 25 year anniversary of the skywalk collapse.
    In all candor, its whatever I find interesting each day at 0530 in the morning before I finish my first cup of coffee.
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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    Quote Originally Posted by Okla-homey
    In all candor, its whatever I find interesting each day at 0530 in the morning before I finish my first cup of coffee.

    That, and more people died.

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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    Quote Originally Posted by CatHunter
    That, and more people died.
    114 people died in the collapse of the skywalks.
    We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics. FDR.

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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    Lots of people coming north, but none going south?

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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerInKCMO
    114 people died in the collapse of the skywalks.

    Yep. Thats what I mean.

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    Re: Good Morning...Meltdown? I got your meltdown!

    The answer was lots of people coming north, but none going south. Just to clarify...

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