Cindy Sheehan and patriotism...

[OklahomaTuba]

Maybe this is what the Dixie Chics mean about being patriotic?

FORT ERIE, Ont. (AP) - A group of American military deserters publicly embraced their new lives in Canada on Saturday with the support of "peace mom" Cindy Sheehan, who said she wished the son she lost in Iraq was among them.

"I begged him not to go to Iraq," the anti-war activist said through tears at a rally in support of the former soldiers, who wore black T-shirts emblazoned with "AWOL." "And I wish he was standing up here with these people because he didn't want to go."

Sheehan was making her second visit to Canada in support of sanctuary for those fleeing the U.S. military.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2...638760-ap.html

[Okla-homey]

I generally oppose capital punishment, but in these cowards' case, I could support firing squads. Especially if amputee vets got to be on the firing details.

[Flagstaffsooner]

I generally oppose capital punishment, but in these cowards' case, I could support firing squads. Especially if amputee vets got to be on the firing details.

Put Ms Cindy in there to absorb some lead as well.

[BeetDigger]

So, they sign up to join the military, but when they ACTULLY have to go fight, then they run.

I guess they signed up the the one weekend a month and two weeks in the summer plan.

Whoever the next President is, I hope that he doesn't follow the Carter plan and pardon them. Let them stay in Canada forever.

[NYSooner1355]

So, they sign up to join the military, but when they ACTULLY have to go fight, then they run.

I guess they signed up the the one weekend a month and two weeks in the summer plan.

You are an ignorant FUKK, over 25% of fatalities/casualties in Iraq are being borne by Reservists/Guardsman...so before you write stupid dribble realize what you are saying/implying ***-hole

[Okla-homey]

You are an ignorant FUKK, over 25% of fatalities/casualties in Iraq are being borne by Reservists/Guardsman...so before you write stupid dribble realize what you are saying/implying ***-hole

Lighten up Francis.

I bet he didn't mean nothing by it. We all know some folks join the regulars and the reserve components thinking they'll never have to deploy overseas. I have a dumarse cousin who joined the Navy then went AWOL when he found out he was being assigned to a ship after boot camp and tech training.

Anyhoo, these guys who bailed for Canada are wussies and oxygen wasters. They don't deserve to live IMHO. The good news is while they live, they'll be contaminating the Canadian gene pool and not "The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave."

[Jimminy Crimson]

Is that ho not dead yet?

[usmc-sooner]

You are an ignorant FUKK, over 25% of fatalities/casualties in Iraq are being borne by Reservists/Guardsman...so before you write stupid dribble realize what you are saying/implying ***-hole

chill
I'm sure he realizes the sacrifices our reserves/guard have made, I don't think he meant it, they way you took it.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

You are an ignorant FUKK, over 25% of fatalities/casualties in Iraq are being borne by Reservists/Guardsman...so before you write stupid dribble realize what you are saying/implying ***-hole

You're missing his point. Whether active service, Reserve or Guard, anyone with an IQ approaching average knows that if you are in the military, you CAN BE required to fight our nation's wars...very hazardous duty, indeed.

[Okla-homey]

Is that ho not dead yet?

No, but I bet her brave son is spinning in his grave like an M-1A1 tank crankshaft at full throttle.

[NYSooner1355]

You're missing his point. Whether active service, Reserve or Guard, anyone with an IQ approaching average knows that if you are in the military, you CAN BE required to fight our nation's wars...very hazardous duty, indeed.

I didn't miss his point, and yes maybe I am being too sensitive, but his point was basically that todays reservists/guardsman are the same as the Vietnam-era ones that used favors to get in to get out of serving in Vietnam (and yes I know reservists/guardsman served there - but nowhere to the extent they are serving in this war and the first gulf war)

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

I didn't miss his point, and yes maybe I am being too sensitive, but his point was basically that todays reservists/guardsman are the same as the Vietnam-era ones that used favors to get in to get out of serving in Vietnam (and yes I know reservists/guardsman served there - but nowhere to the extent they are serving in this war and the first gulf war)

Without double checking, I thought his point was that everyone who's in the military in any capacity has volunteered to be potentially placed in harm's way. Anyway, that's my point... OK, I looked up the Beet Digger post you commented on. I don't necessarily think he was comparing Iraq and Vietnam-just a comment on the boneheads who go AWOL today.

[85Sooner]

I didn't miss his point, and yes maybe I am being too sensitive, but his point was basically that todays reservists/guardsman are the same as the Vietnam-era ones that used favors to get in to get out of serving in Vietnam (and yes I know reservists/guardsman served there - but nowhere to the extent they are serving in this war and the first gulf war)

So let me get this straight. The ones who served during vietnam are not as brave as the ones who searve now, is that your point?

and by favors, do you mean that all the men who decided to go to college to avoid the draft? Or are you speaking politically.

[NYSooner1355]

So let me get this straight. The ones who served during vietnam are not as brave as the ones who searve now, is that your point?

yes, to the extent that we are talking about ones that got deferments in the guard to avoid serving over there - in fact there is a guy in my unit now that basically did that, and has stated so (which disgusted me) and has stated recently that if we get activated he will pack it in (he has his 20 years)...so yes those that join just to get a pension and not want to serve when expected to serve are not as brave as those that have gone when told to go

[NYSooner1355]

Without double checking, I thought his point was that everyone who's in the military in any capacity has volunteered to be potentially placed in harm's way. Any way, that's my point.

re-read his second sentence...he said maybe they signed up for one weekend a month/two weeks in summer plan - that historically is the knock on reservists...so automatically the deserters in Tuba's original post are reservists in his (BeetDigger) mind, because only reservists would desert when activated to fight a war

edit: I took out a sentence that was unnecessary, I apologize Favor

[Vaevictis]

Desertion is cowardice. If you're going to refuse to go, at least have the sack to face the court martial.

Even if the reason you refuse to go is because you're a coward, there is, imo, some redeeming factor in taking the consequences like a man, instead of turning tail and running.

[Okla-homey]

To recap: Anyone who puts his right hand up and signs the enlistment paperwork is saying "Here I Am, Send Me."

Regular or Reserve. Doesn't make a darn bit of difference to me now, and it didn't when I was in.

Sure, there are scammers. Always have been, always will be. Google "bounty jumpers" during the Civil War: guys signed up, got their cash bonus and split. Then, did it again in a different town. Some guys did it a couple dozen times.

[Okla-homey]

Desertion is cowardice. If you're going to refuse to go, at least have the sack to face the court martial.

dang straight!

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

re-read his second sentence, maybe the comprehension you sorely lack will set in...he said maybe they signed up for one weekend a month/two weeks in summer plan - that historically is the knock on reservists...so automatically the deserters in Tuba's original post are reservists in his (BeetDigger) mind, because only reservists would desert when activated to fight a war

See my last (edited) post above. I think we're all in agreement that some people are weenies about their military service committment, and that some, esp. during Vietnam, endeavored to do legal things, including pulling strings, in order to not have to go fight in Vietnam. you don't have to be so darn hostile.(esp. since we are all probably on the same page, though maybe reading different paragraphs)

[Stanley1]

You are an ignorant FUKK, over 25% of fatalities/casualties in Iraq are being borne by Reservists/Guardsman...so before you write stupid dribble realize what you are saying/implying ***-hole

Way to miss the point.