Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 21
  1. #1
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member Okla-homey's Avatar
    Location
    Admit nothing, deny everything, demand proof...
    Posts
    22,983
    vCash
    500

    Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Provided as a service to my homies. You can be the person at your table who knows when someone asks, "WTF is Cinco de Mayo about anyway?" Here's the scoop on Cinco de Mayo -- and it ain't Mexican Independence Day.

    May 5, 1862, a Mexican Victory in the Franco-Mexican War

    144 years ago on this day during the French-Mexican War, a poorly supplied and outnumbered Mexican army under General Ignacio Zaragoza defeated a French army attempting to capture Puebla de Los Angeles, a small town in east-central Mexico. Victory at the Battle of Puebla represented a great moral victory for the Mexican government, symbolizing the country's ability to defend its sovereignty against a European power.

    Here's how the Franco-Mexican War got started in the first place.

    In the wake of its disasterous war with the United States a little over 10 years earlier, the Mexican government was still broke. Flat busted. In 1861, the liberal Mexican Benito Juarez became president of the financially ruined country and he was forced to default on Mexican overseas debts to European governments.


    President Benito Juarez
    Benito Juarez, probably the best and purest presidente the Mex's ever had.

    In response, France, Britain, and Spain deployed their "collections departments" -- naval forces that is, to Veracruz to demand reimbursement. Britain and Spain negotiated with Mexico and withdrew, but France, ruled by Napoleon III, decided to use the opportunity to carve a dependent empire out of Mexican territory.

    Late in 1861, a well-armed French fleet stormed Veracruz, landing a large French force and driving President Juarez and his panicked government into retreat.



    Certain that French victory would come swiftly in Mexico, 6,000 French troops under General Charles Latrille de Lorencez set out to attack Puebla de Los Angeles.

    From his new headquarters in the north, the Mexican President Juarez rounded up a rag-tag force of loyal men and sent them to Puebla. Led by Texas-born Mexican General Zaragoza, the 2,000 Mexicans fortified the town and prepared for the French assault.


    Zaragoza

    On the fifth of May, 1862, Lorencez drew his army, well-provisioned and supported by heavy artillery, before the city of Puebla and began their assault from the north. If you've been in the military, you know there is a time-honored piece of doctrine that says you normally need a 3:1 force ratio in order to defeat a fortified enemy. The Froggy General Lorencez had that --6000 Frenchies to 2000 Mexicans. He lost because he was an arrogant French horses ***.


    Opening of the battle. The Mexicans under Zaragoza occupied the heights. The French repeatedly hurled themselves at them from below.

    Lorencez thought so little of his Mexican "peon" enemy, he ordered repeated direct frontal assaults into the heart of the Mexicans' prepared defenses, which allowed the Mexicans a convenient method of killing a lot of Frenchies. The battle lasted from daybreak to early evening, and when the French finally retreated they had lost nearly 500 soldiers to the fewer than 100 Mexicans killed.

    Victory at the Battle of Puebla represented a great moral victory for the Mexican government, symbolizing the country's ability to defend its sovereignty against a European power.



    Retreating from Puebla, the French were attacked by hundreds of Mexican native people armed mostly with machetes...and suffered many more casualties as they were repeatedly ambushed and hacked to death.

    Although not a major strategic victory in the overall war against the French, Zaragoza's victory at Puebla tightened Mexican resistance. Good thing too, because that autumn, the enraged French showed up with 25,000 recently arrived reinforcements and kicked the hell out of the Mexican Army (which had shriveled to only about 6000 dudes by then) for a couple years. The war would continue at total of another six years before France withdrew.

    In 1864, two years after the battle, Puebla de Los Angeles, the site of Zaragoza's historic victory, was renamed Puebla de Zaragoza in honor of the general. Today, Mexicans celebrate the anniversary of the Battle of Puebla as Cinco de Mayo, a national holiday in Mexico.

    Important contextual sidenote:

    As an aside, it is important to remember that the United States was embroiled in its own Civil War during this period. In fact, Lincoln would have liked to help the Juarista government because he knew the French under Napolean III hated the United States.


    Napolean III, nephew of Bonaparte. Emperor of France.

    Lincoln knew if the French were succesful in their conquest of Mexico, they would be in a good position to aid the Confederacy in its war with the United States.

    Unfortunately for the Mexicans, Lincoln had his hands full with the Civil War and was not able to provide much help to Juarez. Fortunately for the United States, Juarez was able to defend his country, thus making it impossible for the French in Mexico to provide any assistance to Confederate forces.

    There you have it. Cinco de Mayo. An Important day in Mexican AND United States history.

    BTW, REAL Mexican Independence Day is on September 18.

    "Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise whenever they can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often a real loser; in fees, expenses and waste of time." -- Abraham Lincoln, (1809-1865) Lawyer and President who saved the United States.

    "Without opportunities on the part of the poor to obtain expert legal advice, it is idle to talk of equality before the law"-- Justice Chas. Evans Hughes

  2. #2
    Soonerfans.com Elitist sooneron's Avatar
    Location
    Broadway
    Posts
    25,264
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Make me thirsty for.... agave~!
    Oh sweet jesus. Its like watching the special olympics in high definition on here now.
    Soonerinabilene

  3. #3
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member AlbqSooner's Avatar
    Location
    Downwind from a Chile Roaster
    Posts
    5,052
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Quote Originally Posted by Okla-homey
    The Froggy General Lorencez had that --6000 Frenchies to 2000 Mexicans. He lost because he was an arrogant French horses ***.
    Homey I have always respected your knowledge of history and recognized your exhaustive research in your daily post. However, surely this can/t be true.
    Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and good with ketchup.

  4. #4
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member Okla-homey's Avatar
    Location
    Admit nothing, deny everything, demand proof...
    Posts
    22,983
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqSooner
    Homey I have always respected your knowledge of history and recognized your exhaustive research in your daily post. However, surely this can/t be true.
    The French. There is simply no race of people on Earth who routinely display such an unjustifiable and over-inflated sense of self-worth.
    "Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise whenever they can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often a real loser; in fees, expenses and waste of time." -- Abraham Lincoln, (1809-1865) Lawyer and President who saved the United States.

    "Without opportunities on the part of the poor to obtain expert legal advice, it is idle to talk of equality before the law"-- Justice Chas. Evans Hughes

  5. #5
    .............. OUDoc's Avatar
    Location
    Oklahoma City
    Posts
    13,187
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Quote Originally Posted by Okla-homey
    The French. There is simply no race of people on Earth who routinely display such an unjustifiable and over-inflated sense of self-worth.
    What about horns?

  6. #6
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member TUSooner's Avatar
    Location
    Inside your monitor. Hit it with a hammer to release me and get 3 wishes.
    Posts
    15,814
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Thanks be for Homey's Voice of Truth. I used to get annoyed by tired of stankin-drunk, loud-mouth sophomorons swilling Coronas and telling everybody that they were celebrating "Mexico's 4th of July."

    Actually, stankin-drunk, loud-mouth sophomorons are annoying anyway.
    You tell me it's the institution. Well, you know, you'd better free your mind instead.
    (Shoo-bee doo-wah)

  7. #7
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member critical_phil's Avatar
    Location
    carpe enema
    Posts
    9,232
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Quote Originally Posted by OUDoc
    What about horns?

    not a race. more of a mental disorder.


    you are a doctor, right?

  8. #8
    Sooner All-Big XII-2-1+1-1+1 OhU1's Avatar
    Location
    Lawton week /Norman weekends
    Posts
    2,187
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Doesn't quite stack up to our July 4th does it? Can you imagine celebrating a mere moral victory over the French 150 years later?
    "Democracy without respect for individual rights sucks. It's just ganging up against the weird kid, and I'm always the weird kid.."
    Penn Jillette

  9. #9
    .............. OUDoc's Avatar
    Location
    Oklahoma City
    Posts
    13,187
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Quote Originally Posted by critical_phil
    not a race. more of a mental disorder.


    you are a doctor, right?
    race
    noun: people who are believed to belong to the same genetic stock

    noun: (biology) a taxonomic group that is a division of a species; usually arises as a consequence of geographical isolation within a species

    I don't know, with in-breeding and separation by the Red River, they might count.

  10. #10
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member critical_phil's Avatar
    Location
    carpe enema
    Posts
    9,232
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    allopatric speciation....


    why didn't you just say so.

  11. #11
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member Okla-homey's Avatar
    Location
    Admit nothing, deny everything, demand proof...
    Posts
    22,983
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Quote Originally Posted by OhU1
    Doesn't quite stack up to our July 4th does it? Can you imagine celebrating a mere moral victory over the French 150 years later?
    I dunno. People in Bean-town celebrate the early Revy War battle of Bunker Hill in which the Brits kicked our butts.

    People still hail and revere Andy Jackson's defeat of the Brits in the swamps outside of New Orleans...even though the War of 1812 was technically over. (Andy and the Brit force hadn't gotten the memo. )

    Southerners get misty-eyed about Gettysburg which was the high tide of Southern ascendency in the Civil War...but Lee and Co. were repulsed and had to skedaddle out of Pennsylvania back to Virginny.

    I think people just sort of "attach" to events they consider significant examples of national courage and resolve. I think the Mexicans can be justly proud of the "Battle of Puebla" in which they prevailed despite incredible odds.
    "Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise whenever they can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often a real loser; in fees, expenses and waste of time." -- Abraham Lincoln, (1809-1865) Lawyer and President who saved the United States.

    "Without opportunities on the part of the poor to obtain expert legal advice, it is idle to talk of equality before the law"-- Justice Chas. Evans Hughes

  12. #12
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member TUSooner's Avatar
    Location
    Inside your monitor. Hit it with a hammer to release me and get 3 wishes.
    Posts
    15,814
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Quote Originally Posted by Okla-Homey
    People still hail and revere Andy Jackson's defeat of the Brits in the swamps outside of New Orleans...even though the War of 1812 was technically over. (Andy and the Brit force hadn't gotten the memo. )
    These days I think more New Orleanians celebrate Elvis's B-Day on Jan 8 than they do the Battle N.O. Except at Dear Old Ursuline Academy, founded 1727.

    My sources say Cinco de Mayo is, at most, a minor holiday in Mexico, not anything close to the 16th of September.
    You tell me it's the institution. Well, you know, you'd better free your mind instead.
    (Shoo-bee doo-wah)

  13. #13
    .............. OUDoc's Avatar
    Location
    Oklahoma City
    Posts
    13,187
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Quote Originally Posted by critical_phil
    allopatric speciation....


    why didn't you just say so.
    Because it's been 17 years since my last zoology class.

  14. #14

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Lincoln knew if the French were succesful in their conquest of Mexico, they would be in a good position to aid the Confederacy in its war with the United States.
    Then we shall have cause to celebrate at my house. I will break out some tequila and make some sangria to accompany my Mexican dinner. I make a mean enchilada.

    Thanks Homey.

  15. #15
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member
    Posts
    8,905
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Quote Originally Posted by OhU1
    . . . Can you imagine celebrating a mere moral victory over the French 150 years later?
    aggy does that every year in every sport.


    In Pacem Requiescat --- October 5, 2003 - October 18, 2010.

  16. #16
    Sooner All-Big XII-2-1+1-1+1 OhU1's Avatar
    Location
    Lawton week /Norman weekends
    Posts
    2,187
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Quote Originally Posted by TexasLidig8r
    aggy does that every year in every sport.
    LOL Lid, I was originally going to say that cinco de mayo seems kind of like an Aggie version of the 4th of July.
    "Democracy without respect for individual rights sucks. It's just ganging up against the weird kid, and I'm always the weird kid.."
    Penn Jillette

  17. #17
    Sooner All-Big XII-2-1+1-1+1 Taxman71's Avatar
    Location
    112 1/2 Beacon Street
    Posts
    4,136
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Is it true that many Mexicans die each year due to bullets falling back to the ground during Cince de Mayo celebrations? I like to think it is just for the irony.

  18. #18
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member Okla-homey's Avatar
    Location
    Admit nothing, deny everything, demand proof...
    Posts
    22,983
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Quote Originally Posted by Taxman71
    Is it true that many Mexicans die each year due to bullets falling back to the ground during Cince de Mayo celebrations? I like to think it is just for the irony.
    naw, you're confusing that with New Years Eve in Alabama.
    "Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise whenever they can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often a real loser; in fees, expenses and waste of time." -- Abraham Lincoln, (1809-1865) Lawyer and President who saved the United States.

    "Without opportunities on the part of the poor to obtain expert legal advice, it is idle to talk of equality before the law"-- Justice Chas. Evans Hughes

  19. #19
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member BeetDigger's Avatar
    Location
    Cave in the Andes
    Posts
    6,572
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Homey, great post but you left out the part where the Mexican's celebrated by drinking beer with a piece of lime in it.

  20. #20
    2013 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS Osce0la's Avatar
    Location
    Stuck in SEC country
    Posts
    5,874
    vCash
    500

    Re: Good Morning...The real deal on "Cinco de mayo"

    Quote Originally Posted by Okla-homey
    The French. There is simply no race of people on Earth who routinely display such an unjustifiable and over-inflated sense of self-worth.
    Being a Noles fan, I have to disagree...Gaytor fans are right up there with the French...All the arrogance in the world, no tradition to back it up...
    Quote Originally Posted by C&CDean View Post
    Besides, a bitch gotta party, yo.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •