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    Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    April 6, 1830 Mormon Church established

    On this day 176 years ago, Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon religion, organizes the "Church of Christ" during a meeting with a small group of believers in Fayette Township, NY.


    Modern artist's rendering of Joseph Smith

    Born in Vermont in 1805, Smith claimed in 1823 that he had been visited by an angel named Moroni who spoke to him of an ancient Hebrew text that had been lost for 1,500 years. The holy text, supposedly engraved on gold plates by a Native American historian of Hebrew descent in the fourth century, related the story of Israelite peoples who had lived in America in ancient times. It was conveniently buried in Joseph's hometown where Smith dug it up.

    Smith also received special spectacles which allowed him to read the ancient text engraved on the golden plates which he translated as "The Book of Mormon." After the book was translated, the angel came and repossessed the gold plates, which is why they haven't been exhibited in a museum someplace.

    During the next six years, Smith dictated an English translation of this text to his wife and other scribes, and in 1830 The Book of Mormon was published. In the same year, Smith founded the Church of Christ on this day --later known as the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."


    Joseph Smith, Author and Proprietor

    The resulting divine scripture revealed the account of the lost tribe of Israel, which had sailed from Canaan across the seas to North America around 2250 B.C. They were met by an exotic land, full of elephants and horses and other things.

    Anyway, these transplanted Hebrews established a vast civilization and were even visited by Jesus, who established a ministry there.


    In accordance with the BOM: Jesus, appearing to the Nephites in America...aka Mayans?

    The church grew rapidly. And why not? It contained the perfect American theology. For one thing, it proved that the doctrine of Manifest Destiny was divinely-inspired. America was the chosen land. And, it was represented as the church to supplant all others, the "One True Faith." It was represented and embraced by converts as the new and improved Christian religion.

    Best of all, its "prophet and proprietor" was a U.S. citizen, embodying the entrepreneurial spirit that made this country great.

    The central appeal of the new religion, apart from the polygamy part -- seemed to be the notion that faithful members could become gods themselves at their death and get to set-up shop in some other part of the universe where they would procreate forever and be gods over their new territory and subsequent offspring.

    The religion rapidly gained converts, and Smith set up Mormon communities in Ohio, Missouri, and Illinois. However, the sect was also heavily criticized for its unorthodox practices, such as polygamy, and on June 27, 1844, Smith and his brother Hyrum were murdered at a jail by an anti-Mormon mob in Carthage, Illinois.


    The June 27, 1844 shoot-out in Carthage

    When the angry mob showed up, Smith whipped out a pistol and shot three guys, killing two of them. But the crowd was too big and he ran out of bullets. Smith ran to the second-story window and looked out -- more armed vigilantes were outside. Smith climbed out on the windowsill.

    Then Smith either jumped or fell, breaking his shoulder. One of the mob stabbed him several times with a bayonet, then dragged Smith against a well. That's when the mob shot him to pieces.

    After Smith's death, the Mormons split in half. His son created the "Reorganized LDS Church" (RLDS) which is headquartered in Independence MO to this day.


    RLDS Temple in Independence MO near KC

    Two years later, Smith's successor, Brigham Young, led an exodus of persecuted Mormons from Nauvoo, Illinois, along the western wagon trails in search of religious and political freedom. Young blamed the Freemasons for Smith's murder -- partly because Joseph Smith had been a Mason and adapted much of its secret lodge ritual into his new religion thus angering mainline Masons -- and forbade any Mormons from joining Freemasonry. The Masons reciprocated in kind.




    The Masonic influences on the new religion seem pretty compelling, including the fact that only dues paying members get temple access

    In July 1847, the 148 initial Mormon pioneers reached Utah's Valley of the Great Salt Lake. Upon viewing the valley, Young declared, "This is the place," and the pioneers began preparations for the tens of thousands of Mormon migrants who would follow them and settle there.


    Temple Square in Salt Lake City

    Whether you buy their new religion or not, the fact is the "saints" performed a wonderous conversion of a pretty harsh region of the American West and proved themselves good and patriotic Americans who have become an important and productive part of the American scene.

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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Okla-homey
    ...Smith claimed in 1823 that he had been visited by an angel named Moroni...
    Seriously? Wonder what the Latin translation of that name would be?

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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    Under the Banner of Heaven is an interesting read.
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/038...lance&n=283155
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    Mormons are damn good people, but their faith really disturbs me.

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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    Quote Originally Posted by OklahomaTuba
    Mormons are damn good people, but their faith really disturbs me.
    I've known a few in HS. Very nice girls, if not just a little repressed. I never knew how unusual the Mormon faith was.

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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    what about their faith? It still is a relatively new religion and is still evolving...as evidenced by their getting away from polygamy.

    not a mormon just curious.
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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatfield
    what about their faith? It still is a relatively new religion and is still evolving...as evidenced by their getting away from polygamy.

    not a mormon just curious.
    FWIW, they had to publicly and doctrinally disavow polygamy in order to gain statehood for Utah in the late 19th c. That said, there are still allegedly tens of thousands of practicing polygamists in UT, AZ and ID.

    That's also the central theme of this new HBO series called "Big Love" many of us enjoy.
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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    yes, but my understanding is that it is more the fundamentalists that are trying to maintain the polygamy rather than the average mormon.

    and i think we all can agree that the views of the strict fundamentalists shouldn't necessarily be held to the beliefs of the majority of the religion.

    and I have only seen 1/2 an episode of big love but it had bill paxton shooting a wolf and like 4 hot chicks so i will probably tune in again.
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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatfield
    yes, but my understanding is that it is more the fundamentalists that are trying to maintain the polygamy rather than the average mormon.

    and i think we all can agree that the views of the strict fundamentalists shouldn't necessarily be held to the beliefs of the majority of the religion. Granted. That's why I have no problem with Mormonism. In America, you can believe in anything you want...even the Flying Spaghetti Monster

    and I have only seen 1/2 an episode of big love but it had bill paxton shooting a wolf and like 4 hot chicks so i will probably tune in again.
    yep, its hot.
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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    Joseph Smith was called a prophet
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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    my brother always said that Brigham Young died with a smile on his face.

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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    Quote Originally Posted by OUDoc
    I've known a few in HS. Very nice girls, if not just a little repressed. I never knew how unusual the Mormon faith was.

    Repressed? Sheesh, they love sex, as evidenced by all those kids. No drinking, smoking, tobacco, coffee - they have to have one vice. And damned if many of those Mormon girls are hot. Those girls aren't sitting around knitting while their husband to be is off doing his two year mission.

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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    I hate Utah almost as much as Idaho.

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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    Quote Originally Posted by picasso
    my brother always said that Brigham Young died with a smile on his face.
    Your brother killed Brigham Young?

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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    Morman, Schmoreman, I want to know more about this "Flying Spaghetti Monster."

    Jumping holy underwear!!! Thanks for the great read.

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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    I always heard Mormons have to take showers with their special underwear still on. Not sure, just what I heard. It would be better than the old saggy clackers guys at the gym though.

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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    Quote Originally Posted by OUDoc
    Your brother killed Brigham Young?
    yes, by playing jazz music.


    quick story. my former boss (we ran a custom frame shop) used to live in Salt Lake City. he said his Morman neighbors throughout the neighborhood were always on him about having kids and planting his seed. heh.

    then, a lady friend of theirs (from said Utah and a Mormon) spent a week with us while my boss taught her the trade of custom framing. she was a hot mom and was trying to get me to move to Utah. said she had several friends eligible.

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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    Whew, good thing you are gay.

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    Re: Good Morning...A new religion invented in America

    it is a joke, folks

    not a very good one, I might add

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