Like Two Ships Passing in the Night........

[Sooner04]

It would also be great to finish high in the AP rankings

It would, but two top-ten finishes in 12 seasons isn't quite what I'm looking for.

[okienole3]

IMO, the only way for OU men's basketball to "grow" at this point is to become a Duke, UNC, or KU. Clearly that's what some of you are calling for, and I guess that's okay. But I'm fairly certain that you don't just fire your current (and very good) coach, snap your fingers, and become a basketball dynasty. If it were that easy, everyone would do it. And it takes more than money. There are a lot of schools with a lot more money than OU.

How about maybe a Michigan State or an Illinois?

[Stoop Dawg]

It would, but two top-ten finishes in 12 seasons isn't quite what I'm looking for.

How about 2 top-five finishes in the last 5 seasons?

Nevermind, we're on the way DOWN. I forgot.

[Stoop Dawg]

How about maybe a Michigan State or an Illinois?

You mean the unranked Michigan State that lost in the first round or the Illinois that lost in the second? First and second round losses are evidently unacceptable around here.

Seriously, I didn't completely miss your point. Both of those schools probably have better programs than we do. But don't miss my point either. Even very good programs have "down" years. We're only 3 years out from a Final Four. And while those 3 years have been disappointing - and we're definitely itching for something better - I just don't think it time for a change ..... yet. Unless, of course, he's unhappy. Unhappy = un-motivated = no success.

[Sooner04]

How about 2 top-five finishes in the last 5 seasons?

Nevermind, we're on the way DOWN. I forgot.

So you're saying our program is on footing equivalent to our position following the 2003 season?

[Stoop Dawg]

So you're saying our program is on footing equivalent to our position following the 2003 season?

I'm saying that my vision extends beyond 3-5 years.

I'm also saying that given our position at the end of the 2003 season, it would have been difficult to sustain - let alone "grow".

I'm curious, do you have a coach in mind that's going to win a NC at OU every 3 years? If you do, I'm all for tossing Kelvin out on his *** and hiring him.

[Sooner24]

04, if you're going to craft a counter-argument against my point, at least have the decency to use my entire point.

I said:

"Sherri's progress since the Final Four year had been more underwhelming than Sampson's. Until she landed Courtney Paris,"

and then you go throwing around numbers from this year...the year she had Courtney Paris.



True, but it's harder to make it into the men's tourney than the women's and Sampson had as many tourney wins as Coale during that time...despite appearing at one fewer dance.

Additionally, these are the records of each over the past 3 years:

25-8, 20-11, 27-7
17-13, 24-9, 19-13

Which is most underwhelming?



Before this year (the criteria I was using)...

Sherri went from 5th to 6th to 7th in the conference. She won one conference tournament.
Kelvin went from 3rd to 7th to 1st in the conference. He won one conference tournament.

Which is most underwhelming?



I'll grant you those. But name 3 women's coaches that dosen't apply to. Those things are easier to do in WBB than in men's. And if that's ALL she has on Sampson over the previous three years (basketball success-wise), I'd still say her progress was more underwhelming. Would you disagree?

The cell phone bill for her and her staff was a lot lower then Kelvin's too.

[TopDawg]

The cell phone bill for her and her staff was a lot lower the Kelvin's too.

She's better looking too...but that doesn't change her record.

[TopDawg]

He was 0-1 in the Tournament at Washington State. That's why I stated his career record in the Dance was 11-12.

BAH! Fine.

Although getting Wazzu to the dance should probably be miraculous enough to wipe out the loss that ensued.

[Cam]

I'm saying that my vision extends beyond 3-5 years.

I'm looking at 12 years.

I'm curious, do you have a coach in mind that's going to win a NC at OU every 3 years? If you do, I'm all for tossing Kelvin out on his *** and hiring him.

A NC every 3 years? That's not over the top at all.

How bout a coach who wins more than 1/2 of a regular season conference crown every 12 years? Is that really too much to ask for?

[TopDawg]

So you're saying our program is on footing equivalent to our position following the 2003 season?

Is our football program on the way down?

[Newbomb Turk]

DIE THREAD !11!!!111

[TopDawg]

How bout a coach who wins more than 1/2 of a regular season conference crown every 12 years? Is that really too much to ask for?

Again, if that was all Sampson had achieved during his time here, I'd've been calling for someone else long ago.

[Cam]

Again, if that was all Sampson had achieved during his time here, I'd've been calling for someone else long ago.

We each have our opinion. We'll just continue to agree to disagree.

[CtheB]

DIE THREAD !11!!!111

Not until it hits 100 Turk.

[okienole3]

Saying that we ("Kelvin Bashers") expect a NC every three years is a total exagerration and you know it. I don't think it is too much to expect a team to get past the first weekend of the tournament maybe one out of three years after going to the Final 4 and Elite Eight the previous two seasons. Moreover, it would be nice to have more than one member of the recruiting classes parlayed off those seasons to stay for all four years, hell to stay more than two years.

[Newbomb Turk]

Not until it hits 100 Turk.

one more closer to 100!

[CtheB]

one more closer to 100!

The Mountainqueers don't look so good when you play defense.

Just noticed that.

98!

[CtheB]

Saying that we ("Kelvin Bashers") expect a NC every three years is a total exagerration and you know it. I don't think it is too much to expect a team to get past the first weekend of the tournament maybe one out of three years after going to the Final 4 and Elite Eight the previous two seasons. Moreover, it would be nice to have more than one member of the recruiting classes parlayed off those seasons to stay for all four years, hell to stay more than two years.

So, what you are saying is, if Oklahoma under Kelvin Sampson survives the horrific event called the Subregional, it is the exception rather than the norm?

99!

[Stoop Dawg]

A NC every 3 years? That's not over the top at all.

A Final Four 3 years ago is obviously not good enough. What is?