OU makes it to the Sweet Sixteen, or better even, the Elite Eight?
How many of you guys who aren't liking Kelvin right now will say he did a great job?
What will it take this year for him to be out of your doghouse?
The regular season is over. And a lot of people are upset with the outcome (deservedly so).
So what will it take for this season to be called acceptable?
If Kelvin could land another deoderant endorsement I'd be cool.
Heh.
Final 8 most likely.
Metaphors be with you!
I think sweet sixteen should be the minimum expectation for this team, with these players and coach. If he makes it there...good job. Anything more will be tempered by how severe our NCAA penalties are.
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My expectations right now are very low- however if they were to pull off an elite 8- I would publically apologize- and take a blow up doll out to dinner order it a main course and drinks- and start a sceene with it in Norman's most upscale restuarant. with out cracking a smile...
This and I will put money on it that it will not happen- I will give you 10-1 odds on a sweet 16 and 20-1 on an elite 8.
If you are so sure with those odds you ought to poney up 20 bucks.
Who is in...
What you mean no points in the "final eight" minutes of their next game....Originally Posted by Skysooner
NC or nothing.
that would screw my bracket all to hell
the bare minimum would be the sweet16. this team has to damn much talent
if I had won that 365 Million I would be an Elite Super Duper Sponser...but soemtimes these things aren't in the cards
i'm not so sure it's as simple as saying what round we make it to.
rather, i'd be ok with just seeing some imagination, intensity, and smarts with the ball. If we match up with a team poorly, but we do something to demonstrate some willingness/ability to be even a little diverse, especially on offense, it wouldn't hurt as much to lose.
however, if we play our same old ****ty offense, lame effortless defense, and make the same dumb mistakes over and over, we'll lose to UWM.
and that will have me seriously questioning Kelvin and his appropriateness at OU.
The good thing for Kelvin is that if he makes any kind of "run" in the tourney it is going to look better, because we will have to upset a team or two. But, the only reason we will have a tough road is because of our crappy play in the regular season. In summary, any thing Kelvin does is going to wipe out the regular season, at least a little. I say Sweet Sixteen.
Based on my expectations before the year I'd say Sweet 16. If we get there now though I may do cartwheels (tough to do at my height).
I agree with RHCF. Before the year I would have said Sweet 16 minimum, now I would be pumped to get to the Sweet 16.
Kelvin is not in my dog house, but I think a Sweet 16 appearance would equal Tubbs output in the Big Dance.
I am more po'd with the level of play from the players. If Kelvin has produced 11 squads that hussled and the 12 doesn't. It is probably the players will to win (i.e. play defense) and not Kelvin's coaching ability.
When Kelvin makes a championship game and wins a few conference championships, then, maybe you can compare him to Tubbs.
Know thy self,
know thy enemy.
A thousand battles,
a thousand victories. - Sun Tzu (500 B.C.)
BRR.....I was simply talking about NCAA tourney success.
Tubbs
Final Four - 1988
Elite Eight - 1985
Sweet 16 - 1987 and 1989
Sampson
Final Four - 2002
Elite Eight - 2003
Sweet 16 - 1999
If Sampson gets to the Sweet 16 this year he equals what Tubbs did. As far as conference tourneys go it is deadlocked at 3 each.
Regular season is where Tubbs kills Sampson at 4-1. I was simply making the NCAA tourney agrument.....although if you bring in regular season titles in to the mix it is a romp. Ironically, by looking at this it makes me think maybe Tubbs was an underachiever in the NCAA tourney.
Last edited by soonervegas; 3/14/2006 at 02:23 PM.
Of course Tubbs only was 1 and done twice. Sampson has done it 5 times in his 10 appearances.
NCAA Tournament Records
Tubbs-----15-9
Sampson--11-10
OOOOOH 15-9 vs 11-10
While Billy did win 4 conference titles compared to Kelvin winning just one you have to take into account that it was the old KU and the 7 Dwarfs as opposed to the Big 12.He did not have to deal with UT,TT,and a resurgent OSU program in conference.
The biggest difference between Tubbs and Sampson? Talent, Billy had 6 players go to the NBA(Tisdale,King,Grant,Blaylock,Price,Bowie) as opposed to Sampson having 1(Najera).
As for the original point of this thread,What it will take to meet minimum acceptability?,my answer is SWEET 16.While this team has talent it is limited by two key injuries,first the broken bone in the wrist of Bookout,two the sprained ankle which has limited practice time and developement of AJ.
In retrospect I think the top 5 preseason prediction was too high.The loss off Lavender and Mckenzie has been felt keenly with the injury to AJ.It has left us with only Everett to run the point and he has been best at creating (both this year and last) from the wing.Having said all that I have been disappointed in this season like many of you and like many of you I will continue to support KS and the Sooners win or lose. BOOMER SOONER BABY.
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But how many years was Tubbs none and done, i.e. missed the tourney altogether. Sampson has 1.Of course Tubbs only was 1 and done twice. Sampson has done it 5 times in his 10 appearances.
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