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    Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    March 9, 1945 Firebombing of Tokyo


    Tokyo...the aftermath

    61 years ago today, U.S. warplanes launch a new bombing offensive against Japan, dropping 2,000 tons of incendiary bombs on metropolitan Tokyo over the course of the next 48 hours. Almost 16 square miles in and around the Japanese capital were incinerated, and between 80,000 and 130,000 Japanese civilians were killed in the worst firestorm in recorded history.

    Early on March 9, Air Force crews met on the Marianas Islands of Tinian and Saipan for a military briefing. They were planning a low-level bombing attack on Tokyo that would begin that evening, but with a twist: Their planes would be stripped of all guns except for the tail turret.


    Japanese image depicting the firebombing

    The decrease in weight would increase the speed of each Superfortress bomber-and would also increase its bomb load capacity by 65 percent, making each plane able to carry more than seven tons. Speed would be crucial, and the crews were warned that if they were shot down, all haste was to be made for the water, which would increase their chances of being picked up by American rescue crews.



    Should they land within Japanese territory, they could only expect the very worst treatment by civilians, as the mission that night was going to entail the deaths of tens of thousands of those very same civilians. "You're going to deliver the biggest firecracker the Japanese have ever seen," said U.S. Gen. Curtis LeMay.


    Curtis LeMay, future Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force and founder of the Strategic Air Command

    The fire bombing of the downtown Tokyo suburb of Sh1tamachi had been approved only a few hours earlier. Sh1tamachi was composed of roughly 750,000 people living in cramped quarters in wooden-frame buildings. Setting ablaze this "paper city" was a kind of experiment in the effects of firebombing; it would also destroy the light industries, called "shadow factories," that produced prefabricated war materials destined for Japanese aircraft factories.


    The Japanese tried to defend their capital, but were largely ineffective. After four years of war and having already sustained tremendous losses, they simply didn't have the means -- yet they remained defiant.

    The denizens of Sh1tamachi never had a chance of defending themselves. Their fire departments were hopelessly undermanned, poorly trained, and poorly equipped. At 5:34 p.m., Superfortress B-29 bombers took off from Saipan and Tinian, reaching their target at midnight on March 10. Three hundred and thirty-four bombers, flying at a mere 500 feet, dropped their loads, creating a giant bonfire fanned by 30-knot winds that helped raze Sh1tamachi and spread the flames throughout Tokyo. By the time it was over, 1 out of 4 buildings in Japan's largest city no longer existed. Of those that remained, half were heavily damaged.

    Masses of panicked and terrified Japanese civilians scrambled to escape the inferno -- most unsuccessfully. The human carnage was so great that the blood-red mists and stench of burning flesh that wafted up sickened the bomber pilots, forcing them to don oxygen masks to keep from vomiting.

    The raid lasted slightly longer than three hours. "In the black Sumida River, countless bodies were floating, clothed bodies, naked bodies, all black as charcoal. It was unreal," recorded one doctor at the scene. 243 American airmen were lost in the raid.

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    Re: Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    Wow. Hadn't heard about this before. Thanks Homey.

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    I've got a DVD set called World War II In Color (great footage BTW). In it one of the films is called The Last Bomb. It goes into great detail of the last bombing run on July 16th, 1945 (I think) on Japan & documents LeMay's transfer to the PTO. It detailed the change of tactics from high altitude bombing to the much more effective lower altitude the 21st bomber wing went to after LeMay's arrival. Definately worth checking out. The set also includes The Fighting Lady, Memphis Belle, Midway, A Report From The Auletians, and The 6th Marines At Okinawa...all official US War Dept. films.

    http://www.timelessmusic.com/DVDs/wwiiincolor.htm

    Of course I bought mine out of the $5.50 bin at Walmart.

    Great read as always Homey!


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    The tenacity of the Japaneese during WWII was incredible. Were it not for the Nukes, we would have been a few more years in beating them. They
    would not have given up were it not for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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    ...Sh1tamachi
    Did you automatically know to do that, or did the software make you aware?

    Amazing lesson, Col. Homey. LeMay's quote is funny, in a dark sort of way.

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    Re: Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by 12
    Did you automatically know to do that, or did the software make you aware?

    Amazing lesson, Col. Homey. LeMay's quote is funny, in a dark sort of way.
    I tried it straight first and got "****amachi," so I edited.
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    Re: Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    ***************amachi

    just checking

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    Re: Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    So.... war really IS hell? Good post once again.
    You tell me it's the institution. Well, you know, you'd better free your mind instead.
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    Re: Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    were the Tokyo firestorms worse than Dresden? From the article it appears so...

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    Re: Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian
    were the Tokyo firestorms worse than Dresden? From the article it appears so...
    Good question. Airpower historians believe Dresden suffered about half the number of casualties in their fire raid than Tokyo suffered. This was due in large measure to Dresden's lower population density and far fewer wooden buildings.
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    Re: Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian
    were the Tokyo firestorms worse than Dresden? From the article it appears so...

    The Dresden raid was carried out by around 1300 bombers as opposed to the 334 at Tokyo. Nobody knows the exact casualty figures from either. The numbers for Dresden are anywhere between 35,000 and 100,000+, and Homey reported between 80,000 and 130,000 in Tokyo. I'm not sure of the population comparison between the two cities at the time, but a major factor in Tokyo was that most of the buildings were wooden.

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    Re: Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    thanks for the answers

    history will probably look at both unkindly and necessary...yep, war is hell

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    Re: Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    also interesting, the Tokyo raid probably killed more people than the Hiroshima or the Nagasaki nukes. Perhaps even approximately as many as both nukes combined.

    Tokyo fire raid: at least 80K deaths

    Hiroshima: at least 66K deaths

    Nagasaki: at least 39K deaths
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    Re: Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by Okla-homey
    also interesting, the Tokyo raid probably killed more people than the Hiroshima or the Nagasaki nukes.

    Tokyo fire raid: at least 80K deaths

    Hiroshima: at least 66K deaths

    Nagasaki: at least 39K deaths
    I've heard that several times....

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    Re: Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian
    thanks for the answers

    history will probably look at both unkindly and necessary...yep, war is hell

    The Allies wanted to ensure that the people in the Axis nations felt the ferocity of war on their home turf. Hopefully, it would give them a helping hand in preventing their countries from starting any more of them. Germany was largely untouched during WW1, thus the theory was the people didn't have the proper vision of what war really entailed. Seems to have worked pretty well.

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    Re: Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by Okla-homey
    also interesting, the Tokyo raid probably killed more people than the Hiroshima or the Nagasaki nukes. Perhaps even approximately as many as both nukes combined.

    Tokyo fire raid: at least 80K deaths

    Hiroshima: at least 66K deaths

    Nagasaki: at least 39K deaths
    Yes, but the "one bomb" versus days and nights of bombing made a huge difference.

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    Re: Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Beanbag
    The Allies wanted to ensure that the people in the Axis nations felt the ferocity of war on their home turf. Hopefully, it would give them a helping hand in preventing their countries from starting any more of them. Germany was largely untouched during WW1, thus the theory was the people didn't have the proper vision of what war really entailed. Seems to have worked pretty well.
    Pretty compelling results. Italy, Germany, Japan have not started any shiite since then. OTOH, the Soviets were pounded yet continued to be troublemakers themselves and through their client states for the rest of the century.

    I don't know what lesson we should draw from all this other than the fact that war is hell and should be a last resort option. I differ with absolute "peace at any pricers" though in the sense that it must remain an option.
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    Re: Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    Quote Originally Posted by Okla-homey
    Pretty compelling results. Italy, Germany, Japan have not started any shiite since then. OTOH, the Soviets were pounded yet continued to be troublemakers themselves and through their client states for the rest of the century.

    I don't know what lesson we should draw from all this other than the fact that war is hell and should be a last resort option. I differ with absolute "peace at any pricers" though in the sense that it must remain an option.

    But the Soviets won. They consider WWII to be their finest hour, which it was, but the beatdown they suffered early gets kind of lost since they were able to take out their vengeance on Germany just a couple of years later.

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    I have never heard of this before. Wonder what the public opinion in the US was about the civilian casualties..

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    Re: Good Morning...Hell comes at midnight

    Given they were still stinging from Pearl Harbor, I'd say we were all for it if it saved US lives (which it did).

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