And say this has been a disappointing season?
I asy anything less than a sweet sixteen is a failed season based on KS's own pre season hype.
And say this has been a disappointing season?
I asy anything less than a sweet sixteen is a failed season based on KS's own pre season hype.
Know thy self,
know thy enemy.
A thousand battles,
a thousand victories. - Sun Tzu (500 B.C.)
I think Texas could win it all
How would that sit with Joe C.
All you faux-basketball fans fail to clarify an important distinction: the difference between being 'disappointed by a season' and 'having a disappointing season'. They really are two different things.Originally Posted by Big Red Ron
Are even the biggest basketball fans here disappointed because we thought this team could have been much better? Hell yes. There is no question I thought this team was going to be great. Is this a disappointing season? Well, it is hard to be disappointed with a 20 win season and a top 20 ranking.
I also fail to see why the NCAA tourney is the be-all, end-all measuring stick of team performance. It is a completely different animal then the regular season, and should not invalidate regular season accomplishments.
Only when Jay says it is.I keed because I love.
Nothing is true, everything is permitted...
First off, than not then. Why does the tourney matter? That is just the nature of the beast that is college basketball. Besides, what have we accomplished in the regular season. Sure, we have 20 wins, but against who?
hey, we got one quality win.
course they kicked em around like special ed kids in dodgeball the next game but it was still a win.
Grammar police much? It is a message board, take it like a big boy.
20 wins against who? The schedule we played, that is who. Sampson doesn't get to magically change our schedule when it turns out we are playing a weaker schedule then we orginally intended. You can only do your best against the people you play. Again, we have 20 wins and a top-20 ranking. I know of all but 19 other teams that would change places with us if they could.
I thought this season was a disappointment after the All College Smackdown, I knew it was after we started Big 12 play 0-2.
It is a disappointing season, based on the pre-season hype. At the beginning of the season, NO ONE could hit the broad side of a barn. It's not Sampson's fault if the team cannot make baskets. We should regroup somewhat and make it to the sweet sixteen. Overall, still a disappointing season.
Sampson is still a good coach.
For some reason, when I read this post, I reminisced back to Caddyshack:
Smails: "What's your handicap Ty?"
Ty Webb: "Handicap?"
Smails: "How do you measure yourself against other golfers?"
Ty: "By height."
Depending on your definition of quality I think the Alabama game may qualify. They look like a tourney team at least.
The NCAA tourney is a funny thing. In 98-99 we were 20-10 after losing in the first round of the Big 12 tourney and losing 3 of 4. We probably are the last team in the NCAA tourney field and then we wind up in the Sweet 16 and give the National Champ a war. So generally the feeling we have coming out of that season is that it was a great year. The next 2 years are clearly more successful overall, including a Big 12 tourney title and 26 and 27 wins but we lose in the first and second round of the NCAA tourney so that is what everyone remembers. Don't get me wrong the NCAA tourney is huge but it isn't everything.
As for this season I would say runner-up in the conf tourney and Sweet 16 would meet what my expecation was before the season but would exceed by a little what it was after it was apparent that the team was overhyped some going into the year.
Most years I would say meeting 2 of 4 criteria would mean a very good/great year. 22+ wins, a regular season conf title or co-championship,a conf tourney title, Sweet 16.
To be honest, maybe I'm just happy to be able to watch us in the tournament. I don't ever expect us to win(of course my brackets would say differently). I remember the NIT 2 years ago and it was awful. I know we're going to bow out eventually in horrible fashion ala Purdue and Utah. I know that going in. You're kidding yourselves if you think we should compete every year for the national title. Sheet, look at Kansas, and OSU. 2 BASKETBALL schools. I'm sure people are complaining about Duke not getting to the Rose Bowl last year.
You need to establish what your expectations are before every year.
Mine: get to the tournament. We have 11 out of 12 years. We will lose some games we shouldn't, win some we shouldn't and you can take it from there.
I didn't feel that way with Tubbs(I know, here we go again). I was just a kid and I thought he was great. We had some great players under him that could take us all the way any given time. It was hit or miss with Tubbs. With Sampson, it's a formula. Win 20 and get in the tournament .Play "gritty, hardnosed defense, get after loose balls" and then lose 52-49 because we have a bad shooting game. At this point, a sweet 16 would kick arse.
honestly, after the WVU game and the first two conference games I didnt' expect the team to win more than 4 or 5 in conference and I thought for sure they were NIT bound.
They did right the ship for a good while even know there were some nail bitters along the way.
My expectations each year are to be better than the rest of the big 12 and go deep into the NCAA regardless of who the players or the coach is.
Props to Kelvin and the boys for winning a bunch of games and I'll continue to watch each game for as long as I stomach it.
Are you back on the sauce helander? I detect a smidgen of positivity. I agree 100%.
nope, I'm not a drinker at all.
if you look back most of my gripes are aimed at the style of play that OU goes with. If you have a smothing defense it can work. If other teams can score you are screwed... the final four year I worked with alot of fans of other schools and they all talked about how OU could just lock you down on defense and were in the other teams jock all game.
I'm just not a fan of the style Kelvin runs most the time. Nothing on him. NOthing on the team. I do think he looks lost at times. Just as he was in that Syracuse game. I had never seen him look like he had no clue what was going on until that Syracuse game. I'll never forget it. Now you got teams in the big 12 going zone and it still gives OU fits.
But I'll be there cheering and screaming until they go down.
So if the tourney is the only thing that matters, why do we even play the regular season?
Your Caddy Shack quote, while very funny, has very little in common with the situation discussed in my post. But thanks for the comedy.
My point was that different people measure their expectations of Sooner basketball..well, differently. Depends on what you want, but your comment regarding value placed on the regular season is one way to measure it, just as Webb's comment regarding height being the way he measures himself against other golfers.
And, truly, it was just comedy, but there is a point in the middle of it.
i didnt have any expectations for this team in the pre-season, simply because there were so many new faces, and half the team, i'd really not had a chance to form an opinion
however, i bought into the pre-season hype, and perhaps thats the reason i'm disappointed.....frustrated, whatever
this team reminds me of my 20 year old son......i love him more than anything, but he frustrates the ever living **** out of me....
it's still a little early to say whether or not this year was dissappointing
80% or so of schools would love to be where we are, and i'd hardly compare Duke Football to OU Basketball, has Duke ever played for a MNC? gone to the BCS?
i'm gonna be ****ed no matter when we lose in the tourney, but at least we are going.
we are still alive, we still have a shot in the Big 12 tourney, there is no team we should be afraid of. we lost some close games, gave away some games, and traded ugly games with Texass.
if we can play like we are able to, we should be able to do some damage, in both tourneys
yermon is right, the ability is there. Just gotta avoid the brain farts.
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