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    Sooner All-Big XII-2-1+1-1+1 CtheB's Avatar
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    November 25, 1989

    First half field goals: 42-90
    FG for game: 70-147
    Rebounds, first half: 51
    Rebounds, game: 86
    Opposition TOs: 42
    Sooner TOs: 12

    Final score: Oklahoma 173, US International 101. The good ole days.

    Also find it odd that Kelvin has only had one team whose leading scorer averaged more than 18 per game since 1998, the year we introduced bloody nose basketball.

    "This team isn't about Taj Gray" Oh, it isn't? Let's see there are five All Americans in the country, and you possess one of them. In my opinion, this team is ALL ABOUT Taj Gray. In 1983 wouldhe have said, "This team isn't about Wayman Tisdale?" Gee, I wonder why he only gets 7 or 8 shots a game?

    Sorry, my disdain for Kelvin Sampson basketball has reached its fill. Just had to gripe a bit. This team some projected to finish in the top 4 or 5 will be another Subregional disaster for us if things don't improve quickly.

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    Re: November 25, 1989

    Kelvin wouldn't have allowed that team to score 101.
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    Re: November 25, 1989

    True. Very true.

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    Re: November 25, 1989

    HEY! I was at that game!

    We had 97 after the first 19 minutes.

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    Re: November 25, 1989

    gREAT kepp livin in the past

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    Re: November 25, 1989

    Quote Originally Posted by CtheB
    Sorry, my disdain for Kelvin Sampson basketball has reached its fill. Just had to gripe a bit. This team some projected to finish in the top 4 or 5 will be another Subregional disaster for us if things don't improve quickly.
    The early season means nothing...Kelvin will have them ready come tourny time. We won the Big 12 last year. We will this year too

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    Re: November 25, 1989

    Quote Originally Posted by dolemitesooner
    gREAT kepp livin in the past
    I write this only to blow the misconception that Billy's teams were careless and didn't play defense.

    Kelvin's team would have beaten that US Intl team 58-51 in front of 5000 subdued fans at the LNC.

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    Re: November 25, 1989

    Because I was only 2 1/2 months old at the time, I can't even comprehend how often we must have scored. Can't ESPN Classic replay this kind of thing occasionally?
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    I may be wrong but it seems as if we may have gone for a fake PAT once since I've been at Baylor. Although I may have just been drunk and playing Xbox.
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    Back off of Bob (Barry, Sr.). He's drank more beer, pissed more blood and banged more quiff than all of you numnut's put together.

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    Re: November 25, 1989

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner04
    HEY! I was at that game!

    We had 97 after the first 19 minutes.
    And then clanged 3-4 threes in the last minute trying to get to 100...

    Helluva fun game to watch though.
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    Re: November 25, 1989

    that Tubbs team beat East Tennessee State in the first round of teh tournament by 1. and was upset by Virginia and Bryant Stith in the Sweet 16.

    Kelvin has a higher winning % at OU than Tubbs, playing in a more difficult conference top to bottom. i love Billy as much as anyone, but let's be real.

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    Re: November 25, 1989

    Quote Originally Posted by King Crimson
    that Tubbs team beat East Tennessee State in the first round of teh tournament by 1. and was upset by Virginia and Bryant Stith in the Sweet 16.

    Kelvin has a higher winning % at OU than Tubbs, playing in a more difficult conference top to bottom. i love Billy as much as anyone, but let's be real.
    That Tubbs team was also a preseason top 5 team, but they played to it. I'm not disputing the fact that Kelvin is a good coach as his record speaks for itself, but let's truly be real here. This team is so far off from expectations that a healthy improvement throughout the remainder of the season still puts them as an outsider for the Final Four, and possibly the Great Eight. If we will be content competing in a tough conference and be an annual invitee to the Big Dance, then Kelvin's our man, but until this guy learns a little offense that doesn't require his best player, at 6'9" mind you, to handle the ball 20 feet away from the goal, and learns how to get a team to score points when the defense ain't working, that's as far as we'll go.

    I know there are people on both sides of the Kelvin thing, and I really do not dislike the guy, but if he does another one or two step out of the NCAA tournament this year, with this team, and attending crowds continue to barely reach 6000/night, the groundswell to make a change will grow. Trust me.

    His style worked when we had little talent, but now that we have talent, why does he continue to coach the same style? Izzo comparisons? Pleeeze. Izzo plays defense, but he lets his guys go on the offensive as well.

    I'm not trying to change your opinion, and I respect it. But Oklahoma basketball is very hard on the eyes.

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    Re: November 25, 1989

    Quote Originally Posted by CtheB
    But Oklahoma basketball is very hard on the eyes.
    If by 'hard on the eyes' you mean 'I would rather watch What Not To Wear on TLC', then, yes, I agree.
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    Re: November 25, 1989

    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerInKCMO
    If by 'hard on the eyes' you mean 'I would rather watch What Not To Wear on TLC', then, yes, I agree.
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    Smile Re: November 25, 1989

    Quote Originally Posted by King Crimson
    that Tubbs team beat East Tennessee State in the first round of teh tournament by 1. and was upset by Virginia and Bryant Stith in the Sweet 16.
    KC, this game was played in November of '89, which means it's the '89-90 team which finished the season ranked #1.

    Of course, they also got Foxed down in Austin at the buzzer.

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    Re: November 25, 1989

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner04
    KC, this game was played in November of '89, which means it's the '89-90 team which finished the season ranked #1.

    Of course, they also got Foxed down in Austin at the buzzer.
    yer right. i'm a little sheepish to have erred there, since i drove from Colorado overnight with a buddy for the Missouri game that year. got to Norman about an hour before tip, bought some pretty lousy seats in the upper level.....but had a blast. I ought to have remembered better.

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    Re: November 25, 1989

    Quote Originally Posted by CtheB
    Sorry, my disdain for Kelvin Sampson basketball has reached its fill.

    That's OK. My disdain for your appreciation of basketball just went up a few notches.
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    Re: November 25, 1989

    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen Sooner
    That's OK. My disdain for your appreciation of basketball just went up a few notches.
    Nebraska 59, Oklahoma 58. 9-3 overall, 2-2 against good teams, 0-1 against great teams and 0-1 in conference.

    Every game turns into a war.

    I appreciate basketball...good basketball. When you're supposed to be the preseason conference favorite, and a top 5 team, this isn't good basketball.

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    Re: November 25, 1989

    Another snooze fest. WTG Calvin!

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    Re: November 25, 1989

    Quote Originally Posted by dolemitesooner
    The early season means nothing...Kelvin will have them ready come tourny time. We won the Big 12 last year. We will this year too

    Calvin's first regular season champ. ever and I think he needed a lot of help the last couple of games from other teams to back door into it.

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    Re: November 25, 1989

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner04
    HEY! I was at that game!

    We had 97 after the first 19 minutes.
    And it would have been 100 if not for a three that didn't go at the end of the half.

    Good times.
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