To the people of UConn: "you might say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
To the people of UConn: "you might say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
UConn would be big for Men's basketball and huge for Women's basketball. I don't think they do that much for football or the athletic programs in general. I'm not saying they wouldn't work but far from a first choice.Originally Posted by winout
It is too bad ND didn't get snubbed by the playoff committee this year because of no conference affiliation because that would be the best way to go.
Otherwise I concur that the Big 12 is on borrowed time.
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Some schools are trying. Cincy, for example, just did a stadium renovation/expansion. Other viable options like BYU and ND just seem to be toying with the Big 12 while enjoying all the perks of being in a conference (i.e. pretending to be a Power 5 program) without the hassle of membership to one.
The only viable options are convincing members of bloated 14-team conferences that it would be better to be in a smaller conference once again. This could be achieved through two means:
1- A top team(s) that wants to be in the Big 12 instead
2- Top teams kicking out lesser conference members, leaving them searching for a new home.
That latter option seems more realistic. Who will the SEC, B1G, PAC or ACC kick out that could join the Big 12 afterward?
You got it: Ex-Big 12 members. Colorado sucks, Nebraska is no longer AAU and Missouri is hardly a southeastern state, let alone a Southeastern Conference-like program. All three act and play like outsiders and have ever since they switched conferences. About the only benefit to their current situation is that they are out of an unstable Big 12... but if they were to return, it would be more stable, yes?
Since Nebby, Weed Mountain and Safe Space No Media Allowed probably would not come unless their hand is forced, let us turn our attention instead to convincing the B1G, PAC and SEC to dump them
I want to get out of the league honestly
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That's an added benefit to getting another Power 5 to kick members out, or convincing a current member to leave: Then there's a spot open for OU
When has a Power 5 conference kicked a school out?
I think some schools are begging! i.e. Brigham Young, Cincy, Memphis, Cougar High, etc. These schools provide absolutely NOTHING to make Big 12 better! In fact, they would weaken conference significantly. ND ain't going nowhere.Some schools are trying. Cincy, for example, just did a stadium renovation/expansion. Other viable options like BYU and ND just seem to be toying with the Big 12 while enjoying all the perks of being in a conference (i.e. pretending to be a Power 5 program) without the hassle of membership to one.
The only viable options are convincing members of bloated 14-team conferences that it would be better to be in a smaller conference once again. This could be achieved through two means:
1- A top team(s) that wants to be in the Big 12 instead
2- Top teams kicking out lesser conference members, leaving them searching for a new home.
That latter option seems more realistic. Who will the SEC, B1G, PAC or ACC kick out that could join the Big 12 afterward?
You got it: Ex-Big 12 members. Colorado sucks, Nebraska is no longer AAU and Missouri is hardly a southeastern state, let alone a Southeastern Conference-like program. All three act and play like outsiders and have ever since they switched conferences. About the only benefit to their current situation is that they are out of an unstable Big 12... but if they were to return, it would be more stable, yes?
Since Nebby, Weed Mountain and Safe Space No Media Allowed probably would not come unless their hand is forced, let us turn our attention instead to convincing the B1G, PAC and SEC to dump them
Why would Big 12 want (or need) another conference's rejects? We already have 4 Southwest Conf rejects!
Never! If it did, we'd have already kicked out Hypocrite U (deadweight)!
My point exactly. No one is leaving another Power 5 conference for the Big12 nor is anyone getting kicked out. All that talk is ridiculous.Never! If it did, we'd have already kicked out Hypocrite U (deadweight)!
And pretty sure Baylor is not dead weight when you look at the numbers. (sorry to ruin your fantasy about wiping them off the planet)
They were next to last in Ave Attendance in 2015. As far as TV viewers, they were probably in same position in spite of them having a good record for the team.
HOMEATTENDANCE TENDANCE
G Total Avg High
Baylor (45,000) 6 276,960 46,160 49,875
Iowa State (61,500) 6 339,113 56,518 61,500
Kansas (50,071) 7 190,972 27,282 37,798
K-State (50,000) 7 371,698 53,100 53,671
Oklahoma (82,112) 6 512,139 85,357 85,821
Oklahoma State (60,218) 7 403,677 57,668 59,486
TCU (45,000) 6 280,604 46,767 48,694
Texas (100,119) 6 540,210 90,035 94,299
Texas Tech (60,454) 6 338,042 56,340 61,283
West Virginia (60,000) 7 383,779 54,826 61,174
64 3,637,194 56,831 94,299
University of Houston
BYU
Take OU and Texas out of that list and it's just a Mountain West conference AT BEST. We've got to come up with an exit plan 'cause this ship just isn't sailing no matter who we add.
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Actually, you take OU and texas out, it's not too bad, except for KU. Big 12 is much higher than PAC12 and ACC. Here's clip from 2014 article:
Conference breakdown
SEC: Once again it led the country in attendance, averaging a record 78,018 fans. Aided by expanded stadiums and Tennessee's fan resurgence, the SEC was up 3 percent. Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky and Vanderbilt were the only SEC teams with a decrease.
Big Ten: Average attendance was 66,939, down from 70,431 last year. That's largely because of introducing Maryland and Rutgers attendance figures -- which are below most Big Ten schools -- into the conference average. Nine of the 14 Big Ten schools improved their crowds.
Big 12: There was a slight dip (1 percent) to 57,624 fans per game. Six of 10 Big 12 schools increased crowds. For the second straight year, the Big 12 had its smallest average since 2005.
Pac 12: Crowds dropped 2 percent to 52,758 and they are down 10 percent since peaking in 2007. Pac-12 attendance leader UCLA ranked 19th nationally. Only four of 12 conference schools had an increase: UCLA, Arizona, Utah and Washington State. A couple of schools' decreases were very minor.
ACC: This league again was last among Power Five schools at 50,016, although its average was up 1 percent in the first year Notre Dame played a condensed schedule against the ACC. Fresh off a national championship, Florida State saw its crowds increase by 9 percent. Half of the ACC's teams had their attendance rise.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...st-in-14-years
We went from TV markets to now how many people attend games? Who cares!?!?! Based on your statistics, then Iowa St is the third most valuable school to the Big12
This thread was about how to strengthen the conference and you do that with quality play on the field. Which one helps the Big 12 more:
1) A team that will go sub-500 but fills up a stadium, or
2) A team that can win 8-10 games, has a winning record in bowl games, and ability to be ranked in the top 25
I'll take Baylor with 40k fans over ______(insert direction) state U who can fill up a larger stadium but will bring down the conference level of play.
People in Philly want in: Could Big12 invite Temple football?
http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/p...e&id=365006591
If the Big 12 just had to expand Temple should be at the top of the list. Large state school, good TV market and they aren't a directional school or located in Texas.
Considering that Baylor, OSU, KSU and others like to schedule cream puffs as non-conference foes, let's just cut out the middle man and bring the cream puffs to the Big 12
Wow, so about half the teams in the American Athletic Conference have now been mentioned!?!? Seriously, this is a conference that had to form itself out of a bunch of leftover teams from other conferences.
What's next? Maybe someone can throw out Wyoming and New Mexico State so that we can expand our "tv geographic exposure" out west too. TV networks couldn't print enough money to show these games on prime time.
Agree. Just really bad. Dealing with BYU's "we don't play on Sunday" bit for other sports. Houston...I cannot puke enough to give a clear picture of what it would be like to have Houston in the conference. Cincinnati.
F'ing Mizzou sitting over there in the SEC with what would have been our invite if Boren and Castiglione had possessed the nuts to cut Oklahoma State's umbilical cord in 2011.
Awful.
I would honesty take a school as sh*tty as North Texas over either one just for simplicity's sake. BYU will always cause drama because they're accustomed to being the big fish in the small pond. They'd be like a cousin you are always straining to avoid/ignore at family reunions.
Houston has a Joe Jamail-like donor who basically runs the program. Although, he even less polished than now Worm Feed Jamail.
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Why don't we ALL join the SEC? That way EVERY school will be in the mighty conference!!!
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