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    Who gave him up for adoption. Steve Wozniak was the real brain behind Apple anyway.
    That's why they went to **** without him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    Obama's general staff recommended getting rid of al-Maliki The US didn't need a status of forces agreement to stay in Iraq.
    Then why did Bush sign one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yermom View Post
    That's why they went to **** without him...
    the intellectual property of Apple would have eventually reached the market whether it was through Jobs marketing or somebody else's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    Then why did Bush sign one?
    Because he was a dumbass. I bet McAurthur never let the Japanese dictate the terms of the occupying Allied force in Japan after the war. It is just one more consequence of fighting a politically correct war. Obama needed a new Salafis force to weaken Assad but he(Obama) was too weak to see the strategy through. The use of chemical weapons was the window to allow Obama to use force to finish Assad off but Obama was too squishy to follow through on his threat similar to Kennedy's failed leadership at the Bay of Pigs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    Obama's general staff recommended getting rid of al-Maliki but Obama ignored them. The US didn't need a status of forces agreement to stay in Iraq. Obama just wanted an excuse to pull the troops out.
    He didn't need an excuse to get out - it was the right thing to do. His problem is he failed to get it done. That meme about leaving 10k troops is just political BS. When 10k failed to keep Iraq intact, his critics would have said he should have left 20k and so on. The only way to keep Iraq intact in the form that it was with a puppet government would be to leave 100k+ troups there indefinitely. And for absolutely no gain or purpose other than trying to save some sort of "face". Stupid. One thing Obama did accomplish is let the truth out that Iraq is not a real country with a real government that the people there would ever accept. Some of those towns under IS actually want to keep it that way because they prefer that to the Maliki government. They are Sunnis and the Maliki gov is run by Shia. We are strangers in a strange land there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderSooner79 View Post
    He didn't need an excuse to get out - it was the right thing to do. His problem is he failed to get it done. That meme about leaving 10k troops is just political BS. When 10k failed to keep Iraq intact, his critics would have said he should have left 20k and so on. The only way to keep Iraq intact in the form that it was with a puppet government would be to leave 100k+ troups there indefinitely. And for absolutely no gain or purpose other than trying to save some sort of "face". Stupid. One thing Obama did accomplish is let the truth out that Iraq is not a real country with a real government that the people there would ever accept. Some of those towns under IS actually want to keep it that way because they prefer that to the Maliki government. They are Sunnis and the Maliki gov is run by Shia. We are strangers in a strange land there.
    That political "BS" as you call it was endorsed by the Commanders on the ground. 10,000 American soldiers, coupled with our Air Power would have destroyed the ISIS murdering thugs before they got a foothold in Iraq and Syria. They did not become powerful until they acquired US abandoned tanks and artillery and took over territory and the money in the banks of conquered towns. That would not have happened with a US presence. It just wouldn't have. Thousands of lives would have been saved and Russia would not in all likelihood have seen an opportunity in Syria. Now we have both.
    I think maybe our President should maybe look for another line of work. This "Commander in Chief" gig is not setting too well with him. He lets his devotion to his politics and his allegiance to his far left constituents overwhelm any common sense as a Commander in Chief. He has been exposed as a phony not only by the right, but also as to our adversaries. Mr. Tough guy he ain't. I bet he has to "squat" to take a ****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by champions77 View Post
    That political "BS" as you call it was endorsed by the Commanders on the ground. 10,000 American soldiers, coupled with our Air Power would have destroyed the ISIS murdering thugs before they got a foothold in Iraq and Syria. They did not become powerful until they acquired US abandoned tanks and artillery and took over territory and the money in the banks of conquered towns. That would not have happened with a US presence. It just wouldn't have. Thousands of lives would have been saved and Russia would not in all likelihood have seen an opportunity in Syria. Now we have both.
    I think maybe our President should maybe look for another line of work. This "Commander in Chief" gig is not setting too well with him. He lets his devotion to his politics and his allegiance to his far left constituents overwhelm any common sense as a Commander in Chief. He has been exposed as a phony not only by the right, but also as to our adversaries. Mr. Tough guy he ain't. I bet he has to "squat" to take a ****.
    You could have just said that you accept all political spin verbatim and saved yourself some typing. The Iraqi army abandons all the US equipment because they are not committed to the fight. It's been proven repeatedly that when a 1000 US trained and well equipped Iraq soldiers are confronted by 100 ISIS or Al Queda fighters, they abandon the vehicles and weapons (US paid for) and run. And when our top brass calls them out on it, they are forced to apologize for insulting the Iraqi army. Then we have to go bomb our own $1M Humvees with $250k bombs. Great if you are invested in the defense industry. Yes, we could hold serve by keeping troups there indefinitely (and lots of them). But still, there is no purpose - nothing in for us other than to have a few of our boys and girls picked off occasionally by snipers and IEDs. ISIS was going to form - it's part of the whole Arab spring revolt and the entire underground dissatisfaction of the populous there. We accelerated it with Iraq, but it was going to happen. Go ahead and think we have so much influence there we could have stopped it. It ties in well with political divides, but not reality. The only thing that will settle this is the Arab countries themselves rolling up their sleeves and doing something. We hamper that by picking sides just as Russia is making a terrible mess by supporting Bashir.

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    Not committed to the fight?
    Obama's words in speech in 2011;

    Today, I can announce that our review is complete, and that the United States will pursue a new strategy to end the war in Iraq through a transition to full Iraqi responsibility.

    This strategy is grounded in a clear and achievable goal shared by the Iraqi people and the American people: an Iraq that is sovereign, stable, and self-reliant.

    So either BHO was naïve as to how really self reliant Iraq could be, or he was lying through his teeth in order to escape Iraq and placate his far left pacifist constituents. Take your pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderSooner79 View Post
    He didn't need an excuse to get out - it was the right thing to do. His problem is he failed to get it done. That meme about leaving 10k troops is just political BS. When 10k failed to keep Iraq intact, his critics would have said he should have left 20k and so on. The only way to keep Iraq intact in the form that it was with a puppet government would be to leave 100k+ troups there indefinitely. And for absolutely no gain or purpose other than trying to save some sort of "face". Stupid. One thing Obama did accomplish is let the truth out that Iraq is not a real country with a real government that the people there would ever accept. Some of those towns under IS actually want to keep it that way because they prefer that to the Maliki government. They are Sunnis and the Maliki gov is run by Shia. We are strangers in a strange land there.
    Was it the right thing to do to pull out all residual forces in South Korea? Think where the world would be today if we had done that and China/North Korea had nothing to deter them from reinvading South Korea. The North Vietnamese waited until Nixon, weakended by the Watergate scandal, pulled all US troops out of South Vietnam. Then they wiped their asses with the Paris Peace Accord and invaded the South.

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    Re: Immigration and Refugee Acceptance is National Suicide

    how many suicide bombers were coming in from North Korea?

    how many Iraqis really give a damn about "Iraq"?

    this is the same issue with comparing Iraq or Afghanistan with Germany or Japan. there was a national identity there, and a culture that was uniform.

    we toppled the only government holding Iraq together, and there wasn't really one in Afghanistan to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yermom View Post
    how many suicide bombers were coming in from North Korea?
    That's a silly comparison since the North Koreans would send waves of men toward machine gun positions until the macine guns overheated and melted down.

    how many Iraqis really give a damn about "Iraq"?
    I don't know but there are probably several that would prefer not to be beheaded or murdered by islamic radicals.

    this is the same issue with comparing Iraq or Afghanistan with Germany or Japan. there was a national identity there, and a culture that was uniform.
    How about Vietnam? The fact of the matter is by withdrawing all US forces a power vacuum was created. Any goal to establish a national identity was essentially eneded at that point.

    we toppled the only government holding Iraq together, and there wasn't really one in Afghanistan to begin with.
    Hence the need to leave a residual force. The worst decision, in retrospect, was to go into Iraq. The 2nd worst decision was to completely withdraw all forces.
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    http://abc7.com/news/multiple-victim...rdino/1106844/

    Looks like three white dudes just killed 12 people so far.
    That puts white dudes +12 in the body count war versus Syrians and all other refugees today. I shutter to think what the numbers over the last tens years are. 1000 to 1 maybe.

    And while Sic writes well worded paragraphs of mostly nonsense - We continue to place our fears in all the wrong buckets.

    Sic - it's only nonsense because of where you've posted this and the fact that most of us won't read it and even less will truly understand what you meant.
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    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...ing-extremism/

    I harken back to the day that Obama was catching heat because the Department of Homeland Security was warning that right wing extremists were going to be trouble. Who'd a thunk it?

    And, to be fair, I have no idea of the ethnicity or political motivation of these idiots today. My assumption is that they're not Syrian refugees or illegal fruit pickers from south of Tijuana. So, I could be wrong...

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    So, Ton Loc and Serenity are on the record with the opinion that the shooters are probably right-winged and white. Let's wait and see if they are right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    So, Ton Loc and Serenity are on the record with the opinion that the shooters are probably right-winged and white. Let's wait and see if they are right.
    They were wearing the crazy white dude uniform. Camo, Masks, Body Armor, etc. I'll bet you two weeks of you not posting here they were white.

    Also - there have been more mass shootings than days in the year. Yay! America! Guns! Idiots! Misplaced outrage and anger!
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    That Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooter:

    - handed out anti-Obama pamplets
    - declared himself as an evangelical Christian
    - has deep suspicion of the Feds
    - owns assault weapons (duh)
    - vigorously anti-abortion rights (duh)
    - is old and white (duh)

    I was thinking we should take a quick role call around here. Any regular posters conspicuously absent the last week ?

    (Thank-you, I'll be here all week)

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    Re: Immigration and Refugee Acceptance is National Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderSooner79 View Post
    That Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooter:

    - handed out anti-Obama pamplets
    - declared himself as an evangelical Christian
    - has deep suspicion of the Feds
    - owns assault weapons (duh)
    - vigorously anti-abortion rights (duh)
    - is old and white (duh)

    I was thinking we should take a quick role call around here. Any regular posters conspicuously absent the last week ?

    (Thank-you, I'll be here all week)
    Heh. He apparently also frequented pro-cannabis websites. Is there any connection there? I think we can all agree the common thread in all of these shooters is a significant amount of mental illness. I am all in for a solution to keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ton Loc View Post
    They were wearing the crazy white dude uniform. Camo, Masks, Body Armor, etc. I'll bet you two weeks of you not posting here they were white.

    Also - there have been more mass shootings than days in the year. Yay! America! Guns! Idiots! Misplaced outrage and anger!
    No self-respecting white, right-wing extremist would be caught dead using an AK-47. Now if it had been an AR-15. Again, I am all for getting guns out of the hands of whack jobs. How do you do that. There is never, ever going to be a mass confiscation of guns in this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    No self-respecting white, right-wing extremist would be caught dead using an AK-47. Now if it had been an AR-15. Again, I am all for getting guns out of the hands of whack jobs. How do you do that. There is never, ever going to be a mass confiscation of guns in this country.
    You're right. I agree with all of the above. The AK does scare me a bit in my crazy white dude bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    So, Ton Loc and Serenity are on the record with the opinion that the shooters are probably right-winged and white. Let's wait and see if they are right.
    I will admit to being guilty of profiling. I was going to put a smiley face but this is not a funny topic.

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