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    Some of these posters make me think of the Old boy who wanted to divorce his wife of 15 years cause she got Fat or something, Then when she trimed back down they are all Like "Oh aint she beautifuL"
    one er 2 are just a bunch of 2 face arsehole hypocrits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swardboy View Post
    SPEK. This team had a LOT of growing up to do early on, and they did it at light speed to be in this situation THIS season.

    I am so glad I didn't post in this thread before now...lol.
    Let's just hope that the program doesn't always require a once-a-decade player like Mayfield to stay at this level. It's funny how success(or lack of success) snowballs during the course of the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    Let's just hope that the program doesn't always require a once-a-decade player like Mayfield to stay at this level. It's funny how success(or lack of success) snowballs during the course of the season.
    But in a lot of ways, that's college football. Nothing breeds success like success, and putting together the right team, the right chemistry, is damned hard. If it wasn't, more people would do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvsooner View Post
    But in a lot of ways, that's college football. Nothing breeds success like success, and putting together the right team, the right chemistry, is damned hard. If it wasn't, more people would do it.
    Exactly. It's almost always that once-in-a-<timeframe> player that puts a good team over the top and it's usually the QB. We've had Heupel, White, Bradford and now Mayfield to get us into BCS finals and now CFP. So we've been able to snag such a player much faster than once-a-decade rate. The other method is to stack 4* and 5* players at every position on the 2 deep ala Saban and I just don't see that happening at OU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderSooner79 View Post
    Exactly. It's almost always that once-in-a-<timeframe> player that puts a good team over the top and it's usually the QB. We've had Heupel, White, Bradford and now Mayfield to get us into BCS finals and now CFP. So we've been able to snag such a player much faster than once-a-decade rate. The other method is to stack 4* and 5* players at every position on the 2 deep ala Saban and I just don't see that happening at OU.
    And that only seems to work for Saban, and to a lesser extent, Urban Meyer. Everybody else has intermittent success with it. Maybe there aren't *THAT* many true 4 and 5 star players in actuality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvsooner View Post
    And that only seems to work for Saban, and to a lesser extent, Urban Meyer. Everybody else has intermittent success with it. Maybe there aren't *THAT* many true 4 and 5 star players in actuality.
    Mayfield by measurables in all actuality should have been and was a 3 star player by most rating service metrics (too short etc.). This is why Rivals and the like are broad based and will never be able to give you the value of any individual player. Mayfield is as good or better than any 5 star recruit yet if OU would have offered him a scholarship out of HS most people would have found it laughable that we were recruiting a guy that only had offers from the likes of Florida Atlantic. It wasn't just OU.

    What I don't really understand is Kliff Kingsbury. He must have had some idea what Mayfield could do. How he let this kid slip away is just baffling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerorLater View Post
    Mayfield by measurables in all actuality should have been and was a 3 star player by most rating service metrics (too short etc.). This is why Rivals and the like are broad based and will never be able to give you the value of any individual player. Mayfield is as good or better than any 5 star recruit yet if OU would have offered him a scholarship out of HS most people would have found it laughable that we were recruiting a guy that only had offers from the likes of Florida Atlantic. It wasn't just

    OU.

    What I don't really understand is Kliff Kingsbury. He must have had some idea what Mayfield could do. How he let this kid slip away is just baffling.
    I imagine Klifford has had to answer that question more than once and probably will have to a few more times.
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    http://www.scout.com/college/texas-t...baker-mayfield

    Tech would rather have Mahomes lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderSooner79 View Post
    Exactly. It's almost always that once-in-a-<timeframe> player that puts a good team over the top and it's usually the QB. We've had Heupel, White, Bradford and now Mayfield to get us into BCS finals and now CFP. So we've been able to snag such a player much faster than once-a-decade rate. The other method is to stack 4* and 5* players at every position on the 2 deep ala Saban and I just don't see that happening at OU.
    Absolutely. I would prefer that we go the Alabam route. I don't see why we can't. Alabama may have a small advantage with their instate recruiting but it is almost like their program is on autopilot at this point. Maybe that changes if the lose Kirby and some of their other assistant coaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    Absolutely. I would prefer that we go the Alabam route. I don't see why we can't. Alabama may have a small advantage with their instate recruiting but it is almost like their program is on autopilot at this point. Maybe that changes if the lose Kirby and some of their other assistant coaches.
    I just don't believe OU and Norman has that kind of pull. I think we are more like the Ducks where we have to win with scheme and execution along with a few star players at critical positions. Maybe we are a bit between the Ducks and Bama as we do consistently pull in higher ranked recruiting classes than UO, but I don't see us getting consistent top 5 classes.

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    We need a winning streak. Something to challenge 47 straight. Only takes the next three years....yeah, that's the ticket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    Absolutely. I would prefer that we go the Alabam route. I don't see why we can't. Alabama may have a small advantage with their instate recruiting but it is almost like their program is on autopilot at this point. Maybe that changes if the lose Kirby and some of their other assistant coaches.
    It also has to do a lot with Saban cutting kids out of the program if they don't deliver mighty quick and freeing up a scholarship for someone else, not to mention grayshirting at least in years' past.

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    Just read that the Alabama DC is being considered for the Georgia job. That would be a help since we all know that trying to do 2 jobs like that makes it difficult to do 1 job well. Georgia would take priority for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skysooner View Post
    http://www.scout.com/college/texas-t...baker-mayfield

    Tech would rather have Mahomes lol.
    They think Mahomes is the second coming and is gonna bring them a natty next year
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skysooner View Post
    http://www.scout.com/college/texas-t...baker-mayfield

    Tech would rather have Mahomes lol.
    Honestly, I can't completely blame them. I'd feel pretty good going into next year with Mahomes at QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    Let's just hope that the program doesn't always require a once-a-decade player like Mayfield to stay at this level. It's funny how success(or lack of success) snowballs during the course of the season.
    Or, that it doesn't require playing the three top teams in the conference without the starting QBs and many defensive players. This season, luck was equal to the task.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tear Down This Wall View Post
    Or, that it doesn't require playing the three top teams in the conference without the starting QBs and many defensive players. This season, luck was equal to the task.
    That's almost always the case for the teams on top. Bama required a bizarre 4th and 25 conversion by Arkie in order to make it to their CCG. MSU needed the ultimate miracle punt return to be included. Clemson needed the least amount of luck, but they were outgained 3-2 by ND and needed to defend a 2 pt conversion at the end to avoid OT.

    But it requires more than luck - all these teams are good and have shown resilience all season. Our team could have easily had a pretty 11-1 record last year with a bit more luck and that 1 beat down from BU proved they didn't deserve a playoff spot. Much different than this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvsooner View Post
    But in a lot of ways, that's college football. Nothing breeds success like success, and putting together the right team, the right chemistry, is damned hard. If it wasn't, more people would do it.
    It'll be really interesting to watch recruits rethink their commitments after OU
    gets #8. There have been several commitments of ESPN 300 players to schools
    other than OU where OU has offered, just in the last few days.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvsooner View Post
    It also has to do a lot with Saban cutting kids out of the program if they don't deliver mighty quick and freeing up a scholarship for someone else, not to mention grayshirting at least in years' past.
    Let's not go there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tear Down This Wall View Post
    Or, that it doesn't require playing the three top teams in the conference without the starting QBs and many defensive players. This season, luck was equal to the task.
    That's the breaks of the game. We won a National Championship with a backup QB.

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