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    The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    If you're an ideologue don't click. http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...endment-106856

    If you're open minded and can read more than 140 characters and don't need a cartoon to summarize it for you, then you might appreciate the history of the movement of the 2nd Amendment that some of you embrace as if it were written in red in the King James version of the Bible.

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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Ah it's the NRA's fault on how the second admendment is intrepreted by the Supreme court.

    I never knew that.

    The problem is that some folks, I'm guessing your one of those since you insist on posting this crap, think the constitution is a document which in someway limits peoples freedoms and therefore expect to somehow divine the necessary meaning to support their prejudices on how they want others to conform to their thinking.

    The constitution was to specifically limit the federal government and to keep it away from infringing on peoples freedoms.

    As your linked article states, the Bill of Rights is there to specifically guarantee personal freedoms due to Anti-Federalists concerns.

    It would seem the Anti-Federalists were somewhat prescient in their concerns.

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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    WE have Well regulated Militias today. The Government Calls em extremist.
    The 2nd amendment was never intended for the Governments Protection but for the Protection of the Individual and Their Freedoms.
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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by dwarthog View Post
    Ah it's the NRA's fault on how the second admendment is intrepreted by the Supreme court.

    I never knew that.

    The problem is that some folks, I'm guessing your one of those since you insist on posting this crap, think the constitution is a document which in someway limits peoples freedoms and therefore expect to somehow divine the necessary meaning to support their prejudices on how they want others to conform to their thinking.

    The constitution was to specifically limit the federal government and to keep it away from infringing on peoples freedoms.

    As your linked article states, the Bill of Rights is there to specifically guarantee personal freedoms due to Anti-Federalists concerns.

    It would seem the Anti-Federalists were somewhat prescient in their concerns.
    So, I'll put you in the "didn't read it" camp.

    Well regulated militias was referencing the state militias...not the Timothy McVeigh's of the world.

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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by olevetonahill View Post
    WE have Well regulated Militias today. The Government Calls em extremist.
    The 2nd amendment was never intended for the Governments Protection but for the Protection of the Individual and Their Freedoms.
    I think the intention was to allow the states' to form their militias so as to protect their STATE from the over reach of the central government. That's why it says "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state..."

    Not this: http://memecrunch.com/meme/SPDN/a-we...ulated-militia

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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    So, I'll put you in the "didn't read it" camp.

    Well regulated militias was referencing the state militias...not the Timothy McVeigh's of the world.
    You would be incorrect as I did in fact read the article.

    I'll place you into the "confused" bucket with regards to the intent of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by dwarthog View Post
    You would be incorrect as I did in fact read the article.

    I'll place you into the "confused"
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    with regards to the intent of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
    The only Bucket he belongs in is the One we slop the Hogs with.
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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    I think the intention was to allow the states' to form their militias so as to protect their STATE from the over reach of the central government. That's why it says "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state..."

    Not this: http://memecrunch.com/meme/SPDN/a-we...ulated-militia
    Well Thats a relief. Im glad you know more about what the founding Fathers meant than the Current Supreme court!
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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by olevetonahill View Post
    Well Thats a relief. Im glad you know more about what the founding Fathers meant than the Current Supreme court!
    That's why I said "I think". It's an opinion. Some of us have opinions and can agree to disagree. Some of us can't disagree cordially.

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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    I think the intention was to allow the states' to form their militias so as to protect their STATE from the over reach of the central government. That's why it says "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state..."

    Not this: http://memecrunch.com/meme/SPDN/a-we...ulated-militia
    hate to tell ya this but I'm sure a large majority of folks see the "state militia" same as the feds...a group I'd rather not give total control to.

    I would add, the militia in that time was made up of ordinary citizens...not the "state national guard"....

    I THINK it was their thought that the militia (made up of ordinary citizens) would be there against ANY government oversight. Doubt they imagined the "state" government would ever try to control it's citizens.
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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    That's why I said "I think". It's an opinion. Some of us have opinions and can agree to disagree. Some of us can't disagree cordially.
    Oh I can agree to disagree without being Disagreeable! Just not with your ignorant asss
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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerjeepman View Post
    hate to tell ya this but I'm sure a large majority of folks see the "state militia" same as the feds...a group I'd rather not give total control to.

    I would add, the militia in that time was made up of ordinary citizens...not the "state national guard"....

    I THINK it was their thought that the militia (made up of ordinary citizens) would be there against ANY government oversight. Doubt they imagined the "state" government would ever try to control it's citizens.
    I don't necessarily disagree with that. It was interesting that "bear arms" was a phrase used to mean to serve in the militia, with exceptions given for religious feelings [ but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person. ] It was not a phrase referencing the owning/carrying of a weapon.

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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by olevetonahill View Post
    Oh I can agree to disagree without being Disagreeable! Just not with your ignorant asss
    Because you know so much more than me?

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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    Because you know so much more than me?
    Nope, I just think your silly as hell!
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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    I don't necessarily disagree with that. It was interesting that "bear arms" was a phrase used to mean to serve in the militia, with exceptions given for religious feelings [ but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person. ] It was not a phrase referencing the owning/carrying of a weapon.
    So yer parsing the meaning of the words. What does "Shall NOT be infringed" mean?
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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by olevetonahill View Post
    So yer parsing the meaning of the words. What does "Shall NOT be infringed" mean?
    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    My interpretation means that, as long as I'm not a danger to the rest of us, I can arm myself. And, the State of Oklahoma will have a WELL REGULATED state militia that I can be a part of, if I so choose and the central government can't stop me from doing that.

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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    The militia as the founders understood and meant it was all male citizens. Anyone willing to do a modicum of research can learn this.

    The Supreme Court has also ruled the 2nd Amendment is in fact an individual right. Anyone "thinking" it means something else is being stupid just for the sake of being stupid.
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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Curly Bill View Post
    The militia as the founders understood and meant it was all male citizens. Anyone willing to do a modicum of research can learn this.

    The Supreme Court has also ruled the 2nd Amendment is in fact an individual right. Anyone "thinking" it means something else is being stupid just for the sake of being stupid.
    That's not what the article says.

    However, that's the most non 5th grade thing I've ever seen you write. Kudos! You're not a complete idiot. Just an immature arsehole.

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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    That's not what the article says.

    However, that's the most non 5th grade thing I've ever seen you write. Kudos! You're not a complete idiot. Just an immature arsehole.
    If a Pole says it or a Lib article it must be true.
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    Re: The changing of the 2nd Amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    That's not what the article says.

    However, that's the most non 5th grade thing I've ever seen you write. Kudos! You're not a complete idiot. Just an immature arsehole.
    You mad because someone took your lunch money again today? Maybe you can out them?!
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