Shooter intent on Killing "Christians". Obama focus on gun control.

[champions77]

So reports are that the mass murderer in Oregon, Chris harper Mercer asked his victims if they were Christians. Any affirmative response was met with a bullet to the head. Those responding negatively to the question were shot in the leg.
As usual our wonderful President seizes upon the opportunity to politicize the horrific event by promoting more gun laws as the way to deal with the gun violence in America today. Mr. Obama says that we have to many guns, and too few laws. Well Mr. President, more firearms have been purchased during your administration, than in the last 50 years combined. Why? Because they didn't trust you to uphold the 2nd Amendment.

Does anyone out there think for a moment that if the gunman's questions were directed to Muslims or Gays, what the President's focus would have been? Can you deny that his focus would have been instead about the attack on Muslims?

An attack on Christians? No big deal, right Mr. President? We're probably just being paid back for the Crusades 1,000 years ago right?

[Soonerjeepman]

it's like you'd expect something different?

obama can't miss a mass shooting to keep his gun hate going. Yes, I'm sure if it was gays or muslims...blacks...anything but Christians he'd be all over that angle as well.

The guy was obviously mentally off...but again, not one word about the real issue..mental disorders/health.

[badger]

For those that think it would be impossible to achieve greater gun control, remember that the last major shooting took the Confederate Flag down in South Carolina.

If our partisan, divided legislature is to achieve what President Obama is calling for, he's going to have to give something in return: Strengthen the Second Amendment. Control gun ownership, but guarantee gun ownership to all law abiding citizens who choose to possess a gun.

That might not be what either side wants, but that's what give and take is.

[Soonerjeepman]

For those that think it would be impossible to achieve greater gun control, remember that the last major shooting took the Confederate Flag down in South Carolina.

If our partisan, divided legislature is to achieve what President Obama is calling for, he's going to have to give something in return: Strengthen the Second Amendment. Control gun ownership, but guarantee gun ownership to all law abiding citizens who choose to possess a gun.

That might not be what either side wants, but that's what give and take is.

we already have that. There needs to better enforcement of the laws. ANY gun control freak wants ALL guns destroyed (if there is a gun there is a chance something bad will happen). I honestly believe obama, clinton...mom's against guns (whatever their name is) wants NO GUNS...for anyone. I don't think it will ever happen but I do think they would try if they could.

[champions77]

it's like you'd expect something different?

obama can't miss a mass shooting to keep his gun hate going. Yes, I'm sure if it was gays or muslims...blacks...anything but Christians he'd be all over that angle as well.

The guy was obviously mentally off...but again, not one word about the real issue..mental disorders/health.

Of course not. Obama is a model of consistency. I bring attention to this for those that are persuadable, not for those rigid ideologues that frequent this site. I have faith that there exists some degree of the populous that has an open mind about Obama and the left that he represents. Maybe, just maybe the light bulb will go on for them, that they can see what a failed path they are leading us on.
Mental Health? Used to institutionalize those that had certain pathological traits that made them more likely to hurt themselves or someone else. Griffin Hospital in Norman used to be teeming with activity. It looked like a college campus with all of the buildings and the campus like setting. Now? Hardly see anyone over there. At some point in time, it seems like Professionals in the Mental Health industry felt that these folks needed to be "assimilated" with others in society, therefore the need for institutions became deemphasized. Obvious now that that was a bad decision. We need to divert State funds back towards Mental Health. Maybe find different solutions for non-violent criminals that would keep them out of prison, and then those monies could be diverted to Mental Health?

[badger]

we already have that

It's under threat, so I think reaffirming the right would go far in this drive for more gun control: Assurances that if you like your gun, you can keep your gun

Ok, maybe don't use those words though

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Right on, Champions77!

[champions77]

It's under threat, so I think reaffirming the right would go far in this drive for more gun control: Assurances that if you like your gun, you can keep your gun

Ok, maybe don't use those words though

Assurances that if you like your gun, keep your gun will never be promised by the left, at least honestly promised by the left. That is contrary to their ultimate goal, and that is absolute outlaw of private gun ownership. The left does things incrementally, knowing that they could never get their ideas passed by the majority through honest means. Obamacare will get them single payer. More gun laws will eventually get them to the point where they have total control of gun ownership. Only then could the gun deaths seen today be eliminated they feel. Never mind that criminals would never register their firearms, or that it would be huge gift to organized crime in black market gun running.
Control, all about control. The socialist state cannot function, at least to the desired degree they strive for, without it. To them the more..the better. And some cannot see how this additional control is a loss of personal liberties.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Assurances that if you like your gun, keep your gun will never be promised by the left, at least honestly promised by the left. That is contrary to their ultimate goal, and that is absolute outlaw of private gun ownership. The left does things incrementally, knowing that they could never get their ideas passed by the majority through honest means. Obamacare will get them single payer. More gun laws will eventually get them to the point where they have total control of gun ownership. Only then could the gun deaths seen today be eliminated they feel. Never mind that criminals would never register their firearms, or that it would be huge gift to organized crime in black market gun running.
Control, all about control. The socialist state cannot function, at least to the desired degree they strive for, without it. To them the more..the better. And some cannot see how this additional control is a loss of personal liberties.

Sad as he*l the Left has the Media on its side...and the schools, for the most part.

[champions77]

Sad as he*l the Left has the Media on its side...and the schools, for the most part.

Sad that today we have a culture of amoebas that are influenced by the Entertainment Industry and the Media, unable or unwilling to process information and arrive at conclusions on their own. Adds credence for the theory that the left and their education cronies are actively pursuing the "dumbing down" of America.

It allows for smooth talking, hip politicians, that are without any substantive accomplishments in their life, void of ideas that will promote and unite this Country to bigger and better things, but instead creates a divisive culture of victims..... to hoodwink an entire nation into voting for him, perpetuated by the Main stream media as willing accomplices in this grand bamboozlement of the American citizenry.

[Soonerjeepman]

Of course not. Obama is a model of consistency. I bring attention to this for those that are persuadable, not for those rigid ideologues that frequent this site. I have faith that there exists some degree of the populous that has an open mind about Obama and the left that he represents. Maybe, just maybe the light bulb will go on for them, that they can see what a failed path they are leading us on.
Mental Health? Used to institutionalize those that had certain pathological traits that made them more likely to hurt themselves or someone else. Griffin Hospital in Norman used to be teeming with activity. It looked like a college campus with all of the buildings and the campus like setting. Now? Hardly see anyone over there. At some point in time, it seems like Professionals in the Mental Health industry felt that these folks needed to be "assimilated" with others in society, therefore the need for institutions became deemphasized. Obvious now that that was a bad decision. We need to divert State funds back towards Mental Health. Maybe find different solutions for non-violent criminals that would keep them out of prison, and then those monies could be diverted to Mental Health?

lol...yes I know you know...I was being sarcastic. I'm on your side! lol

obama himself sited GB and Australia as "successful" countries....hmmm, yes they confiscated guns.

[champions77]

lol...yes I know you know...I was being sarcastic. I'm on your side! lol

obama himself sited GB and Australia as "successful" countries....hmmm, yes they confiscated guns.

I know you are. The lies that come out of BHO's mouth never ceases to amaze me. He stated yesterday that the cities with the most stringent gun laws have the lowest numbers of gun violence.

[Soonerjeepman]

his home town chicago is the worse from what I've seen...need to double check that.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

Yep, zippy's idea of win. total gun confiscation. Then he and like minded political elites can take over and tell us all how to think and act for our own good as well as steal all our money to redistribute wealth...

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

Yep, zippy's idea of win. total gun confiscation. Then he and like minded political elites can take over and tell us all how to think and act for our own good as well as steal all our money to redistribute wealth...

heh! Zippy.
Hard to believe/forget...We voted his sorry a*s in, and for a reelection in '12...sad, ain't it!!!

[TAFBSooner]

Yep, zippy's idea of win. total gun confiscation. Then he and like minded political elites can take over and tell us all how to think and act for our own good as well as steal all our money to redistribute wealth...

We have the highest rate of private gun ownership on the planet, yet the crony capitalists are busily redistributing our wealth . . . upward.

[TheHumanAlphabet]

You mean the government is redistributing wealth? Keeping everyone down, just like in the UK.

Oh, and what is with CNN making the Oregon killer look white? By Obama's definition, he is black. His mom is black. So the serial mass murderer is black and were any of the Oregon victims non white? Uhmmm....?

[champions77]

If Obama had an ounce of honesty he would come out with his grand plan of confiscating every firearm in this country. Everyone knows that is what he really wants. You know that would be his way to fight the gun deaths in this country. But he is too much of a coward to come out with his plan. Afraid it would drive off those few 2nd Amendment folks that still vote Democratic. And who would he enlist to confiscate all of these firearms? Well none other than the " Civilian National Security Force" that BHO advocated in 2008. It would be better funded than all of the military, combined he told us. They would do the dastardly deed of going house to house gathering firearms.

Are you hard headed leftists out there beginning to see where personal freedoms take a hit under a socialist regime? Collectivism can't allow "individuals" to own a firearm. The gun owners may have a problem with all of the sharing of their hard earned assets....for the greater good of course. Wait until the feds go belly up and they help themselves to your personal retirement accounts. If you don't think that could happen, you are more naïve than I thought. But you go along, lock step to the drum beat of a socialist utopia. Damn I wonder how much of this it will take to for you to wake the hell up?

[TAFBSooner]

If Obama had an ounce of honesty he would come out with his grand plan of confiscating every firearm in this country. Everyone knows that is what he really wants. You know that would be his way to fight the gun deaths in this country. But he is too much of a coward to come out with his plan. Afraid it would drive off those few 2nd Amendment folks that still vote Democratic. And who would he enlist to confiscate all of these firearms? Well none other than the " Civilian National Security Force" that BHO advocated in 2008. It would be better funded than all of the military, combined he told us. They would do the dastardly deed of going house to house gathering firearms.

I think it's a little late for Obama to get his Civilian National Security Force (which I agree would be terrible if it were real). Obviously it's a non-starter in Congress, which would be the outfit that would "fund it better than it does the military."

Thank God Obama doesn't get everything he wants. I hope he has the same bad luck getting the TPP through Congress.

Are you hard headed leftists out there beginning to see where personal freedoms take a hit under a socialist regime? Collectivism can't allow "individuals" to own a firearm. The gun owners may have a problem with all of the sharing of their hard earned assets....for the greater good of course. Wait until the feds go belly up and they help themselves to your personal retirement accounts. If you don't think that could happen, you are more naïve than I thought. But you go along, lock step to the drum beat of a socialist utopia. Damn I wonder how much of this it will take to for you to wake the hell up?

Since we still have our guns, we must not be too collectivist just yet.

[Serenity Now]

I want a realistic interpretation of the 2nd amendment. That said, I would have no desire to confiscate guns. Just some logic on who can purchase them and some personal responsibility/liability for when your gun is used for something like this.