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    Re: Exxon - From pioneer in global warming to one of the lead obfuscator's

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    ---Why are their only "denial loons"-----What about "environmental loons" ?-----Maybe we should limit the world population to say one billion people would that solve the problem?
    There are environmental loons.

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    Re: Exxon - From pioneer in global warming to one of the lead obfuscator's

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    There are environmental loons.
    ---Why because they don't agree with you?

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    Re: Exxon - From pioneer in global warming to one of the lead obfuscator's

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    ---Why because they don't agree with you?
    I'm fairly moderate environmentally. I just think we are hindering the earths ability to adjust itself and we are putting our head in the sand as to what may or not be happening.

    There are loons on both side of the issue.

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    Re: Exxon - From pioneer in global warming to one of the lead obfuscator's

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaii 5-0 View Post
    I was thinking in Global Warming terms. Please excuse me for being so global.

    Another one is developing as I type.

    5-0
    Great. We'll talk globally then.

    http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes

    2. Global Warming and Tropical Cyclone Activity Around the Globe

    The main focus of this web page is on Atlantic hurricane activity and global warming. However, an important question concerns whether global warming has or will substantially affect tropical cyclone activity in other basins.

    In terms of historical tropical cyclone activity, a 2010 WMO assessment of tropical cyclones and climate change concluded that "it remains uncertain whether past changes in tropical cyclone activity have exceeded the variability expected from natural causes." This conclusion applied to all basins around the globe.

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    Re: Exxon - From pioneer in global warming to one of the lead obfuscator's

    Quote Originally Posted by dwarthog View Post
    Then, case closed. LOL

    It's really more about ice and melting.

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    Re: Exxon - From pioneer in global warming to one of the lead obfuscator's

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    Then, case closed. LOL

    It's really more about ice and melting.
    Wooly Mammoths just can't catch a break can they? :-)

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    Re: Exxon - From pioneer in global warming to one of the lead obfuscator's

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    Are you one of those scientists who used to try to say that tobacco didn't lead to cancer?
    That's a silly straw man. But then you knew that when you posted it.

    If this is the result of global warming or global climate change then give me more of it. In Ada we've had 60 inches of rain this year and we have had maybe 2 to 3 days with temperatures above 100 this summer.
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    Re: Exxon - From pioneer in global warming to one of the lead obfuscator's

    Quote Originally Posted by hawaii 5-0 View Post
    I'm not Catholic and don't have to agree with the Pope on all things.

    I'm not part of the 3% that believes that Global Warning doesn't exist.

    Why trust science when you can trust a crooked politician ? They know better than anyone.

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    You can take this hockey stick and, well do whatever you want to do with it.
    http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-...-was-erroneous

    BTW, some very serious scientists are actually prediciting a mini ice age by 2030 because of decreasing solar activity.
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/glo...say-2015-07-13

    And about that 3% claim about deniers:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites#/sites/j...sensus-claims/

    You just need to face the facts that you support a movement primarily made up of political hacks who use intimidation, false facts and all sorts of d0uch*baggerey to promote their agenda.
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    Re: Exxon - From pioneer in global warming to one of the lead obfuscator's

    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    You can take this hockey stick and, well do whatever you want to do with it.
    http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-...-was-erroneous

    BTW, some very serious scientists are actually prediciting a mini ice age by 2030 because of decreasing solar activity.
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/glo...say-2015-07-13
    I think solar activity has WAY more to do with our climate than any human activity. I look at the little ice age in the early 1800's for evidence of that. However, I still think that we need to NOT damage the earth so that it can react to things like solar variability, asteroids, volcanoes, etc. as the good Lord designed it.

    Rain in Ada, OK and a cool, moist summer like we had in the US and even early snow falls don't mean anything. Increasing CO2 leads to more weather variability.

    The tobacco thing you don't like because it's true. There is ACTUALLY a link between the two denial movements. You want to ignore it and put it in a place where you don't have to defend it because it's indefensible. It would be like me defending the growth of welfare. No one seems to ask but I think we have too many people on disability and too many people on long term welfare. I don't know how to fix it but it's a problem. It's one of many problems.

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    Re: Exxon - From pioneer in global warming to one of the lead obfuscator's

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    I think solar activity has WAY more to do with our climate than any human activity. I look at the little ice age in the early 1800's for evidence of that. However, I still think that we need to NOT damage the earth so that it can react to things like solar variability, asteroids, volcanoes, etc. as the good Lord designed it.

    Rain in Ada, OK and a cool, moist summer like we had in the US and even early snow falls don't mean anything. Increasing CO2 leads to more weather variability.

    The tobacco thing you don't like because it's true. There is ACTUALLY a link between the two denial movements. You want to ignore it and put it in a place where you don't have to defend it because it's indefensible. It would be like me defending the growth of welfare. No one seems to ask but I think we have too many people on disability and too many people on long term welfare. I don't know how to fix it but it's a problem. It's one of many problems.
    But as any objective thinking American would say, like all problems, you prioritize it. And climate change falls way down on the list. Contrary to what the Great Messiah says, it is not more of a threat than Isis, or Islamic Terrorism. That is such a ridiculous statement, where is Chuck Todd or George Stephanopoulos with that microphone in the Messiah's face?
    Glad we can agree on the Solar activity as having way more to do with climate change than human activity. Now can you agree that it is another "power grab" by the left that incentivizes them to use climate change as a way to increase the scope and control the Feds have?
    The Socialist utopia that many aspire to in this country can only work (in their eyes) if the Federal government has control of most everything. They see it as the more control they have, they better it is for the masses, all for the "greater good" of course. Cap and Trade would be a huge increase in control. Of course with more control, comes more power. It's all part of the plan to turn this country's economy to collectivism.
    "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, it's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"

    -----Winston Churchill

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    Re: Exxon - From pioneer in global warming to one of the lead obfuscator's

    Quote Originally Posted by champions77 View Post
    But as any objective thinking American would say, like all problems, you prioritize it. And climate change falls way down on the list. Contrary to what the Great Messiah says, it is not more of a threat than Isis, or Islamic Terrorism. That is such a ridiculous statement, where is Chuck Todd or George Stephanopoulos with that microphone in the Messiah's face?
    Glad we can agree on the Solar activity as having way more to do with climate change than human activity. Now can you agree that it is another "power grab" by the left that incentivizes them to use climate change as a way to increase the scope and control the Feds have?
    The Socialist utopia that many aspire to in this country can only work (in their eyes) if the Federal government has control of most everything. They see it as the more control they have, they better it is for the masses, all for the "greater good" of course. Cap and Trade would be a huge increase in control. Of course with more control, comes more power. It's all part of the plan to turn this country's economy to collectivism.
    I don't like cap and trade. I'd like to think we can come up with a way to engage China, Russia, etc. But, doing nothing is worse. And, there are many issues that are more pressing. But, we can't eat our plate one vegetable at a time. We are civilized.

    I missed the Great Messiah's return. I was under the belief that Revelation was a combination of 7 letters written by Paul to the churches during the time of Nero. A story of hope amid hell on earth.

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