Poll Says 1/3 of Republicans Ready to Bolt Party

[Tear Down This Wall]

Income inequality is a lot to blame in this scenario. When most of the people with jobs are actually working poor that still need government assistance to survive, you aren't going to be able to just sit and be rich while everyone else starves for long.

The best thing for stability is upward mobility with jobs and education. That's worth spending money on.

Better than trillion dollar pork jets anyway

Really? Someone explain this to Mexico. The Castro brothers never starved in Cuba either.

Our ruling class is the same - we're just not calling it socialism/communism yet. Our middle class still has a decade or so to be whittled down by government programs "helping" the poor and middle class close the "income inequality" gap.

[Tear Down This Wall]

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...4-556_3204.pdf

I don't think I read "faggots" in their ruling. I searched it and everything. Maybe you should drop some more slurs while you're at it.

It's a legal document. The legal term for faggot is "same-sex." This isn't a legal document; it's a sports-oriented message board with some side forums for entertainment.

[TAFBSooner]

(Query: What the hell is a "hand basket" anyway?)

The name of the wagon that Teddy Roosevelt used to get from his Montana ranch to the capitol city.

[TAFBSooner]

Income inequality is a lot to blame in this scenario. When most of the people with jobs are actually working poor that still need government assistance to survive, you aren't going to be able to just sit and be rich while everyone else starves for long.

The best thing for stability is upward mobility with jobs and education. That's worth spending money on.

Better than trillion dollar pork jets anyway

Aww, you're just jealous!

[Serenity Now]

Income inequality is a lot to blame in this scenario. When most of the people with jobs are actually working poor that still need government assistance to survive, you aren't going to be able to just sit and be rich while everyone else starves for long.

The best thing for stability is upward mobility with jobs and education. That's worth spending money on.

Better than trillion dollar pork jets anyway

The difference between the top and the middle is so much more stark now than it was 50 years ago. That's our problem.

[champions77]

The decrease in "upward mobility" you address can be laid at the feet of 1) dependency created by social programs, 2) Labor Unions chasing off jobs to countries with cheaper labor, 3) Over regulation and high taxes on businesses, 4) poor schools/education and 5) illegal immigration, further limiting workers into entry level jobs which would at least get you in the game. Hard to move upward if you are not working.
All of these serve to hinder opportunities and disincentivize those in climbing the socio-economic ladder.
I'm afraid the Dems answer to this is to increase taxes on the wealthy. Isn't that their answer to most anything?

[yermom]

The decrease in "upward mobility" you address can be laid at the feet of

1) dependency created by social programs

2) Labor Unions chasing off jobs to countries with cheaper labor,

3) Over regulation and high taxes on businesses,

4) poor schools/education

5) illegal immigration, further limiting workers into entry level jobs which would at least get you in the game. Hard to move upward if you are not working.

All of these serve to hinder opportunities And disincentives those in climbing the socio-economic ladder.
I'm afraid the Dems answer to this is to increase taxes on the wealthy. Isn't that their answer to most anything?

1) like i said, people don't starve quietly. if you want to have anything, the poor people in the country should at least be fed.

2) i sure do hate overtime, and 40 hour work weeks. our government letting corporations exploit poor countries and their lax labor/business laws isn't good for anyone

3) i see more regulation stomping out competition and innovation. the lobbyists favor the large companies from #2. this is more about money talking than anything. there should be tighter controls in a lot of areas.

4) i don't know about other states so much, but the conservatives sure love to gut education in this state. i'm sure lowering taxes was a great idea. oil prices never go down, right?

5) if an illegal that can barely speak English, if at all can take your job, then you need better skills. again, it's the companies hiring them that make this possible.

you really think poor people just choose to be lazy and not get ahead? everything is set up where if you are poor, you basically stay poor unless something extraordinary happens

i don't think taxes even necessarily need to be raised, but i do think loopholes should close, and companies should pay their fair share. you should get tax breaks for keeping jobs here and/or penalties for moving them out though. that's what should be disincentivized.

[RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone!]

The decrease in "upward mobility" you address can be laid at the feet of 1) dependency created by social programs, 2) Labor Unions chasing off jobs to countries with cheaper labor, 3) Over regulation and high taxes on businesses, 4) poor schools/education and 5) illegal immigration, further limiting workers into entry level jobs which would at least get you in the game. Hard to move upward if you are not working.
All of these serve to hinder opportunities And disincentives those in climbing the socio-economic ladder.
I'm afraid the Dems answer to this is to increase taxes on the wealthy. Isn't that their answer to most anything?

None of the Soonerfans Libs will pay attention and learn from this analysis, even though it's right on.

[yermom]

None of the Soonerfans Libs will pay attention and learn from this analysis, even though it's right on.

You are preaching cognitive dissonance now?

This guy sums up a lot of what I see here:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/09...html?referrer=

Odds are you won't read it or understand it, but whatever

[Serenity Now]

The decrease in "upward mobility" you address can be laid at the feet of 1) dependency created by social programs, 2) Labor Unions chasing off jobs to countries with cheaper labor, 3) Over regulation and high taxes on businesses, 4) poor schools/education and 5) illegal immigration, further limiting workers into entry level jobs which would at least get you in the game. Hard to move upward if you are not working.
All of these serve to hinder opportunities And disincentives those in climbing the socio-economic ladder.
I'm afraid the Dems answer to this is to increase taxes on the wealthy. Isn't that their answer to most anything?

How does any of this deal with middle class? I think of Oklahoma. The multiple Wrangler manufacturing plants that closed and moved to Mexico didn't close down due to unions. Hell, CEO compensation probably has as much to do with this stuff as anything. A CEO in some companies makes like 400 times more than the regular worker. In other countries it's not near as high.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...39554321746276

[okie52]

How does any of this deal with middle class? I think of Oklahoma. The multiple Wrangler manufacturing plants that closed and moved to Mexico didn't close down due to unions. Hell, CEO compensation probably has as much to do with this stuff as anything. A CEO in some companies makes like 400 times more than the regular worker. In other countries it's not near as high.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...39554321746276

Did the CEO take a pay cut when the company moved to Mexico?

[TAFBSooner]

Did the CEO take a pay cut when the company moved to Mexico?

He probably got a raise for cutting costs. Short term thinking. His raise that next quarter trumped decent jobs for Americans from the date of the move until, well, forever.

I don't want to tax all of his income or wealth, I want to incentivize him to keep jobs here and keep them at a livable wage. His company paid some of those greater profits to his industrial organization's dues, which paid lobbyists which paid Congresscritters to grease the movement of jobs out of the country.

I'm not jealous, because I sure don't want his afterlife or karma. But I am angry.

[champions77]

1) like i said, people don't starve quietly. if you want to have anything, the poor people in the country should at least be fed.

2) i sure do hate overtime, and 40 hour work weeks. our government letting corporations exploit poor countries and their lax labor/business laws isn't good for anyone

3) i see more regulation stomping out competition and innovation. the lobbyists favor the large companies from #2. this is more about money talking than anything. there should be tighter controls in a lot of areas.

4) i don't know about other states so much, but the conservatives sure love to gut education in this state. i'm sure lowering taxes was a great idea. oil prices never go down, right?

5) if an illegal that can barely speak English, if at all can take your job, then you need better skills. again, it's the companies hiring them that make this possible.

you really think poor people just choose to be lazy and not get ahead? everything is set up where if you are poor, you basically stay poor unless something extraordinary happens

i don't think taxes even necessarily need to be raised, but i do think loopholes should close, and companies should pay their fair share. you should get tax breaks for keeping jobs here and/or penalties for moving them out though. that's what should be disincentivized.

Your #4 Republicans see the ridiculous amount of funds spent on education and the poor results that are achieved. Ever since the labor unions took over education, brought in PC and all the psychobabble programs, reducing standards.....have we seen the education in this country go south. Nice Job. And what is pathetic is the resistance to change how the kids are educated, resistance to vouchers and school choice, charter schools. For most liberal politicians, turning out dumb kids is ok.

#5, fine the employers for hiring them. They would self deport.

And yes, people choose to be lazy. That is maybe the most clueless statement that you have ever typed. Your party has made it an art form to create dependency in this country. And you think you are helping people? I believe it is an organized, orchestrated effort by liberals to dumb down and keep down millions of Americans, and then pat themselves on the back for helping them, while reminding them to vote. They show their true colors when they oppose vouchers and charter schools....they are owned by the Unions, and their campaign contributions...over the poor kids. Do you deny this?

I have stated on here before, people ask me when was it that started this country on a downward spiral, and I always tell them when LBJ rolled out his Great Society welfare programs, and it began giving out benefits to those in the "poor" class of citizens, housing, food stamps, welfare payments, without out anything in return, no work program, no community service, no effort whatsoever required on the recipient, and no time limitation as to when the benefits would run out, that was the beginning of the end. That was a wholesale attack on the very virtues that made this country great, personal responsibility and self reliance and hard work. All orchestrated by liberals. And as to the future, you see a higher and higher percentage of those receiving benefits, so where is this going, when will this trend stop? When we are bankrupted? Then what? This lazy, angry, "entitled" group of people going to do something to survive? You bet they are, they're coming to your house, and take what they want, just like they did to those stores in Ferguson.

Now tell me Mr. Liberal, are you optimistic about the future? Do you see the path we are on as working out if we stay on it, or are you objective enough to see that continuing on this path...we are doomed?

[Tear Down This Wall]

1) like i said, people don't starve quietly. if you want to have anything, the poor people in the country should at least be fed.

They do starve quietly in any given number of socialist/communist countries. You see any armed uprisings against the governments of Cuba, Mexico, or Venezuela? North Korea?

[FaninAma]

The difference between the top and the middle is so much more stark now than it was 50 years ago. That's our problem.

Guess what other entity has grown oh so much larger in that same time frame. Funny how that works.

[champions77]

Guess what other entity has grown oh so much larger in that same time frame. Funny how that works.

+1 True, so very true.

Funny how the left used to be the ones with the "open" minds and were all for diversity, tolerance and welcomed other opinions. At least that's what they preached. Now they won't even let a conservative make a speech at some of these "bastions" of academia. I guess Chavez, Castro and Stalin were the same way. The left, especially the hard left has a problem with free speech, well I guess they have a problem with anything free as long as it has DOMS on the end.

[Soonerjeepman]

you really think poor people just choose to be lazy and not get ahead? everything is set up where if you are poor, you basically stay poor unless something extraordinary happens

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Yes and no. As someone who works with the poor....it's a mind-set. You don't see MOST illegals sitting around on their butts do you? #1 minimum wage jobs were NOT meant to be a career. #2 Since factory work (you could sustain a living - not dream vacations, lavish toys, etc...but a living) has changed "innovation" robots vs man, then priorities need to change...EDUCATION. It's there...guess what, folks don't want to work at it.

I work my butt off, but guess what? I can't afford a boat, lake house, vacation get-a-ways...I have 2 kids in college. My cars are no newer than 2001. Am I grateful and blessed yes, but I also don't over extend.

There is a dangerous mind-set going on. #1 I DESERVE the same as others, #2 the gov owes me and should assist in the equality crap.

[TAFBSooner]

They do starve quietly in any given number of socialist/communist countries. You see any armed uprisings against the governments of Cuba, Mexico, or Venezuela? North Korea?

Cubans are a little bit above starving.
Mexico and Venezuela do have uprisings, although not necessarily by the peasants. Also Mexico is a ringer in a list of socialist/communist countries.
North Koreans do indeed starve quietly, annually. Ugh.

[TAFBSooner]

You are preaching cognitive dissonance now?

This guy sums up a lot of what I see here:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/09...html?referrer=

Odds are you won't read it or understand it, but whatever

Crickets.

Too bad, because this guy should be a hero to conservatives. Not only a wealthy businessman, but the rags-to-riches variety. And he's worried about society falling apart just like some of the conservatives on here are.

[Serenity Now]

Crickets.

Too bad, because this guy should be a hero to conservatives. Not only a wealthy businessman, but the rags-to-riches variety. And he's worried about society falling apart just like some of the conservatives on here are.

Chirp!