You keep referencing that trope but the actual figures don't back it up. Reagan couldn't get elected in the modern GOP. The conservatives are the most conservative they've been since before the Great Depression.Originally Posted by champions77
You keep referencing that trope but the actual figures don't back it up. Reagan couldn't get elected in the modern GOP. The conservatives are the most conservative they've been since before the Great Depression.
Facts don't bear that out. If Reagan was viewed as a moderate pub today he is exactly what has been getting elected. W twice, mccain and then romney.... and Reagan couldn't elected?
Which of Reagan's principles or campaign promises would keep him from winning the GOP nomination today? GHWB was the establishment candidate in 1979 and had the establishment apparatus of the party fully behind him yet still got trounced by Reagan. Reagan actually won a far greater share of the popular vote in the 1976 GOP primaries but lost the nomination because of the way delegates were apportioned back then. There is zero evidence that Reagan wouldn't win the GOP nomination hands dwon if he ran today. You are just parroting worthless leftist media drivel.
Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.
He increased taxes.
Deficits increased in his time by 186%.
He was a hardliner ON Israeal.
He was not anti-choice.
He more than worked with Iran. Best case scenario, he communicated with them to sell them arms. Worst case scenario, he delayed the hostage release until after his election. Hell, we can credit him with creating OBL and the Taliban.
He advocated for gun reform with the Brady Bill.
(Just for Okie) He oversaw the amnesty of 3,000,000 illegals.
So, amnesty, gun control, work with Iran, disagree with Israel. I think the others referenced above are, to quote The Donald, "weak". However, that should be sufficient to shoot down any GOP candidate today. Hell, just disagree with Israel or try to limit some access to weapons and you're dead in the water.
I personally give him a pass on a lot of crap financially. He spent Russia out of communism. He was left with an economy that was sub optimal. I give Carter a little bit of a pass on it as well as Nixon really screwed it up with the price fixing and the whole Vietnam financial burden. The economy was due to turn around regardless of what they did to it.
I take it that you prefer the old-fashioned term 'ball suckers' . Whatever suits ya.
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Ball suckers - that's funny, because we all know that term is much more likely to apply to fellows of the democrat persuasion.
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Given the current political climate and fact that EVERYTHING you say becomes part of the record, Romney/McCain had to go so far right in the primaries to get the nomination that they couldn't get back to the middle.
The Tea Party forced it to happen.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...-extreme-right
It's the liberals voting in the R primary now, that wasn't as big a factor in 1980. IOW, there was no good reason teh moderates should have been winning the R primaries the last few times, except that more leftists are voting in the R primaries.
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
horsesh*t. And if you believe what you said there, you're worse off than I thought.
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
If you don't believe it then you're stupider than you called me in the spek.
Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom, socialism restricts it. Democracy attaches all possible value to each man; socialism makes each man a mere agent, a mere number. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville
Serenity you just go ahead with your flawed observations of the GOP. The GOP became fractured only after the Party began it's March to the middle. Only after Republicans began acting like Democrats, content on going along with the ever expanding role of the Federal Government, afraid to stand up to the Dems and their efforts to grow the Federal Government, lest they be called out as "wanting to starve little children"or "rolling Granny over the cliff" each time an attempt was made to limit the growth of this overbearing, bloated bureaucracy.
The GOP has become so much like "Democratic Lite" that many conservatives stay home instead of casting their ballot, believing that there was no real alternative to the Democrats. Those dishonest Republicans, running back home as CONSERVATIVES, but then voting on issues much differently while in DC. Mom used to call it "Potomac Fever" and it happens with regularity today. They all have discovered that using the Federal Treasury to buy votes, promising one benefit or entitlement after another is a way to perpetuate yourself into winning re-elections . Your hero Barack Obama promised over a TRILLION dollars of government goodies BEFORE the crash in 2008. The crash gave him the freedom to spend at will on the stimulus and Tarp, then laughed at a conference when he chuckled "I guess those shovel ready projects weren't so shovel ready"
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, it's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
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That is such a dishonest litany of actions Reagan took. Almost all of his "non-Conservative" actions were compromises on Reagan's part with the Democrats in Congress in which the Democrats lied and backed out of their end of the compromises....raising taxes slightly for reduced spending which the Democrats didn't live up to.....allowing illegals to stay for increased border protection and E-Verify which the Democrats failed to do. And you wonder why conservatives are so reluctant to compromise with the lying, dishonest Democrats in Washington. Then you turn around and make claims like the one in your post above. It is the democrats who have poisoned the well in Washington. That is why conservatives are livid when they see squishes like McConnell and Boehner compromising with the bastages.
Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.
See, it's Rush and Turd that say all those mean and hurtful things to you in SPEK. I'm totally innocent!!
Behold the pale horse. The man who sat on him was death, and Hell followed with him.
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Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize 2015.
Primaries force dem or pub candidates to move left or right. Think Hillary isn't doing that now? And the odds on favorite a few months ago for the pub nomination was jeb. Think he's a conservative?
And Reagan's biggest mistake according to Ed Meese (Reagan's attorney general during amnesty) was amnesty. Hopefully nobody would be stupid enough to try that again.
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Just the type of sophomoric reply I expected from you. Carry on.
Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.
I'll certainly give on the increase of taxes. He squared taxes up a little. They went up here and there but went down over all and it was mostly a good thing. I disagree with his version of Supply Side Economics. Kennedy is the last president to do it right. Deficits are less clear. If you're an anti deficit person, then spending Russia into the ground isn't an option. Gun control, amnesty, Iran-Contra, Israel...those are big things that won't float in today's GOP. I'm not sure how you write that off. I could answer it for you in a way that I'd support if you want. But, ignoring those things borders on laughable.
Things that the Dem's wouldn't bully him into: Dealings with Isreal, IRAN CONTRA, GUN CONTROL. Agree?
How sad. Really.
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
The US didn't spend the USSR into the ground. Reagan deserves a lot of the credit for the Soviet Union collapsing but the main reason the collapse happened is because the Saudis increased their production of oil through the roof collapsing the price of oil around the globe. This was the main contrubutor to the USSR's economy collapsing and subsequently their system of government falling. What Reagan actually did was create and hold together a strong European coalition that further isolated the Soviet Union and which refused to provide a life-line for their floundering economy. Gorbachev also knew Reagan would lead this coalition against him if he tried to strike back militarily. That's called leadership....something Obama only dreams about.
The same thing is happening today but this time around I think the US and the Saudis are playinig with fire. I don't think Putin and the Russians will go quietly in the night like Gorbachev and the Soviets did....mainly because they think that there will be much less opposition from the US and Europeans if they invade another oil rich country that causes the price of oil and gas to spike. While Reagan had the Europeans line up behind him in a strong coalition to isolate the USSR the spineless Obama and his possible democrat successor(Hillary?) to the Presidency couldn't even begin to reorganize that coalition.
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Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.
more truth Serenity and other libs. Hopefully you will understand and assimilate.
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
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