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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by yermom View Post
    so he just gave them arms for no reason?
    Yer right. Iran had so much trust ina wannabe President that they went against a Sittin Pres to Make Reagan look good so that he He would Give them weapons, After he was elected.
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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    While I agree we need better mental healthcare in this country, I can't think of a single mass-shooting occurrence where greater mental healthcare would have made a difference. Adam Lanza comes close. The problem is that you have to legally demonstrate a person is a threat to themselves or society. None of these shooters met that definition prior to their rampage -- again, Lanza came close. You can't just deprive someone of their constitutional right to own a firearm or deny them their liberty because they have some sort of mental health problem. You also can't force them into treatment; they have to recognize they have a problem and want to be treated.

    The fact is, we have a Constitutional right to own firearms. Here's the truth of the situation: We live in a free country (ostensibly) with 320 million people. These sort of mass shooting events seem more frequent than they are because of the media attention they get. It's actually incredibly rare, and the chances of being shot in such an event are minuscule. You have to accept the fact that these sorts of things are going to happen in any free society -- there's no way to prevent it. You can ban guns and have the best mental facilities in the world, but this would still happen in some shape, form, or fashion. Suggesting Americans be deprived of one of their most sacred Constitutional rights, because of the actions of a very small percentage of the population, is simply unjust.

    The real problem is a growing lack of respect for the sanctity of human life and a culture that is increasingly narcissistic.

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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    I think that slightly misses the point of the mental health aspect of the argument, but in the end I agree.

    If someone wants to kill some people they will find a way

    And then media outlets will make them a household name for a few months, just like they wanted.

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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by yermom View Post
    And then media outlets will make them a household name for a few months, just like they wanted.
    They give the bastards exactly what they could never have otherwise, fame and notoriety. That goes back to my point about a narcissistic culture. Everyone has to have that fame and some people do whatever they can to get it. What's interesting is that there were mass shootings before Columbine, but Columbine really seems to be case-zero in all of this. The Columbine shooters, I believe, had what they believed were legitimate beefs with classmates. They were seeking retribution not necessarily fame. So many shootings after that weren't really about how the shooters were treated at school or by the community -- it was all about garnering fame.

    People are ****ed up. I keep hoping these people will eat a bullet alone in a basement somewhere and stop taking dozens of innocents with them.

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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by SicEmBaylor View Post
    While I agree we need better mental healthcare in this country, I can't think of a single mass-shooting occurrence where greater mental healthcare would have made a difference. Adam Lanza comes close. The problem is that you have to legally demonstrate a person is a threat to themselves or society. None of these shooters met that definition prior to their rampage -- again, Lanza came close. You can't just deprive someone of their constitutional right to own a firearm or deny them their liberty because they have some sort of mental health problem. You also can't force them into treatment; they have to recognize they have a problem and want to be treated.

    The fact is, we have a Constitutional right to own firearms. Here's the truth of the situation: We live in a free country (ostensibly) with 320 million people. These sort of mass shooting events seem more frequent than they are because of the media attention they get. It's actually incredibly rare, and the chances of being shot in such an event are minuscule. You have to accept the fact that these sorts of things are going to happen in any free society -- there's no way to prevent it. You can ban guns and have the best mental facilities in the world, but this would still happen in some shape, form, or fashion. Suggesting Americans be deprived of one of their most sacred Constitutional rights, because of the actions of a very small percentage of the population, is simply unjust.

    The real problem is a growing lack of respect for the sanctity of human life and a culture that is increasingly narcissistic.
    abortion? I know, it's just a blob of goo until X amount weeks...but you don't think that 90% of people think "a baby" when someone says they are pregnant? Then I go back to your point of respecting life. Not just of the unborn but of anyone.
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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Back to the original question at hand: has Megan Kelly disproved Trump's assertion yet?
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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tear Down This Wall View Post
    Back to the original question at hand: has Megan Kelly disproved Trump's assertion yet?
    Which assertion? I think Kelly came out looking good on this thing.

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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerjeepman View Post
    abortion? I know, it's just a blob of goo until X amount weeks...but you don't think that 90% of people think "a baby" when someone says they are pregnant? Then I go back to your point of respecting life. Not just of the unborn but of anyone.
    When a mother can end the life of her unborn child it does make it easier for the secularists to rationalize other forms or euthanasia and life terminations.
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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    Which assertion? I think Kelly came out looking good on this thing.
    She was looking just fine before this too, IMHO.

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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by yermom View Post
    I think that slightly misses the point of the mental health aspect of the argument, but in the end I agree.

    If someone wants to kill some people they will find a way

    And then media outlets will make them a household name for a few months, just like they wanted.
    You are exactly right. Absent a gun, then a knife? A bomb? A car driven into a group of people? With 300 million guns and rifles in this country, confiscating someone's guns would make rounding up 11 Million lawbreakers look easy. So they next time some nutjob kills someone, Mr. President, let's not use that as a political tool to push your agenda. Let's free up some funds for mental health by putting non-violent offenders in some type of community service, or a fine, and begin to institutionalize the mentally ill, at least the ones that are prone to violent behavior, like the crazy nut son that stabbed his Dad to death at the Braum's in OKC a week or so ago. He was acutely insane, and everyone knew it. But he was allowed to roam the streets and now Oklahoma has a dead Labor Commissioner to show for it.
    With the billions we spend on illegals in this country every year, it would be nice to spend that money on mental health, instead of educating, incarcerating and providing medical treatment to those breaking our laws.
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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    Which assertion? I think Kelly came out looking good on this thing.
    That she was on the rag that particular evening.
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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by champions77 View Post
    With the billions we spend on illegals in this country every year, it would be nice to spend that money on mental health, instead of educating, incarcerating and providing medical treatment to those breaking our laws.
    Good point.

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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tear Down This Wall View Post
    That she was on the rag that particular evening.
    sez you.That was the interpretation of those who want to take Trump out. Who is your candidate?
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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tear Down This Wall View Post
    That she was on the rag that particular evening.
    She simply confronted Trump for stuff that some of you were already critical of him regarding. In short, he says crap that gets him in trouble. Look at the blowup that he had with the Univision journalist. In three minutes he had mis-remembered what had happened in the blow up. I think they were both a little out of line. I don't think Kelly asked him anything that a public person like himself, who's done TV as much as he has, should be able to ask.

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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone! View Post
    sez you.That was the interpretation of those who want to take Trump out. Who is your candidate?
    None. I don't register to vote anymore. I work for a living, so none of them want anything to do with me.
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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    She simply confronted Trump for stuff that some of you were already critical of him regarding. In short, he says crap that gets him in trouble. Look at the blowup that he had with the Univision journalist. In three minutes he had mis-remembered what had happened in the blow up. I think they were both a little out of line. I don't think Kelly asked him anything that a public person like himself, who's done TV as much as he has, should be able to ask.
    I guess Ramos couldn't remember his own name because it was never called.

    The videos showed what happened in the Ramos incident. Ramos thought he was "entitled" cut in front of other journalists and then continue to speak over the other journalists while being disruptive to the press conference. Thank goodness security showed him the door.

    Ramos can hardly be described as a journalist...activist would be a better fit.

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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    I guess Ramos couldn't remember his own name because it was never called.

    The videos showed what happened in the Ramos incident. Ramos thought he was "entitled" cut in front of other journalists and then continue to speak over the other journalists while being disruptive to the press conference. Thank goodness security showed him the door.

    Ramos can hardly be described as a journalist...activist would be a better fit.
    Amen 52. You know there is something wrong when an "activist" like Ramos can come to a press conference and exude a self righteous, indignation of Donald Trump's position, all the while he supports millions that have come here, disrespecting our laws, fully aware of the US laws they were breaking, knowing the potential existed for them to be deported, and somehow Trump is the bad guy in all of this? Ramos has transitioned the wrongdoers from the illegals to those that would choose to enforce US Laws. Amazing when you think of it. Ramos should be operating from a position of weakness, not strength. But our wonderful media, and of course the left, makes him out to be the good guy somehow.

    Deport 11 million? No problem, they will leave on their own? How? Employers in the US that knowingly hire illegals are in my mind "accomplices" in the crime, and therefore should be dealt with as criminals. If an employer is found to employ someone here illegally, then they will be subject to a huge fine, say $10,000. I would increase the number of Border patrol agents, and cycle them on and off the border. While not on the border, they can check on businesses to see if they are in compliance. You would not have to fine many businesses in order for employers to learn that the US Government is serious for a change about border enforcement. They would cease hiring illegals and would lay them off, not choosing to take that risk. This could be done in phases over time that would allow employers to find replacement employees.

    Before this is set into motion, build that fence!!
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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    I guess Ramos couldn't remember his own name because it was never called.

    The videos showed what happened in the Ramos incident. Ramos thought he was "entitled" cut in front of other journalists and then continue to speak over the other journalists while being disruptive to the press conference. Thank goodness security showed him the door.

    Ramos can hardly be described as a journalist...activist would be a better fit.
    That's why I give him part blame. It's not like Trump was going to call on him. And, I wouldn't blame Trump for not calling on him.

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    Re: Does Anybody Support Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    That's why I give him part blame. It's not like Trump was going to call on him. And, I wouldn't blame Trump for not calling on him.
    But Trump later let him back into the news conference and did take questions from ramos. I wish he hadn't have let ramos back into the meeting. He didn't deserve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by champions77 View Post
    Amen 52. You know there is something wrong when an "activist" like Ramos can come to a press conference and exude a self righteous, indignation of Donald Trump's position, all the while he supports millions that have come here, disrespecting our laws, fully aware of the US laws they were breaking, knowing the potential existed for them to be deported, and somehow Trump is the bad guy in all of this? Ramos has transitioned the wrongdoers from the illegals to those that would choose to enforce US Laws. Amazing when you think of it. Ramos should be operating from a position of weakness, not strength. But our wonderful media, and of course the left, makes him out to be the good guy somehow.

    Deport 11 million? No problem, they will leave on their own? How? Employers in the US that knowingly hire illegals are in my mind "accomplices" in the crime, and therefore should be dealt with as criminals. If an employer is found to employ someone here illegally, then they will be subject to a huge fine, say $10,000. I would increase the number of Border patrol agents, and cycle them on and off the border. While not on the border, they can check on businesses to see if they are in compliance. You would not have to fine many businesses in order for employers to learn that the US Government is serious for a change about border enforcement. They would cease hiring illegals and would lay them off, not choosing to take that risk. This could be done in phases over time that would allow employers to find replacement employees.

    Before this is set into motion, build that fence!!
    Absolutely Champs!!!

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