Two things to come mind immediately...The President made an "agreement" with a country that still holds 4 Americans as hostages and the fact that ANY inspection will come with a 24 day notice before any inspectors can actually perform said inspection.Originally Posted by Serenity Now
Much of our deals with Russia were very weak. The task was to kick the can a little down the road for short term safety purposes. That all worked out....at least so far.
In my mind keeping Iran from going full nuclear is important for the next decade. At some point their western minded population is going to emerge and slowly migrate out the mullacracy. Just in the last 5 years they've softened significantly.
If we listen to the Tom Cotton's of the world we will create a self-fulfilling prophecy. That's my worry.
What's the alternative? I mean we're working with them on ISIS and against them on Yemen. Very odd.
The deal appears on the surface to have a lot of potential upside without much downside. The downside is that it returns to status quo with them getting sanctioned again and returning to all their current activities - bomb development and other. Over time, they are going to get increasing help from Russia and China regardless making sanctions less effective (unless we suddenly become friendlier with those two).
The upside is Iran coming out of it's shell and joining the world community. That will cause them to create more dependencies with other countries and thus be forced to behave accordingly. Once they have something of value, they wiil have something to lose. This is exactly why the hardliners in Iran are against this deal. They don't give a ratz azz about improving the standard of living of their people - they just want to maintain power. They know if Iran becomes more open, they risk losing power eventually.
My guess is that we're looking at status quo no matter what. The handwringers on both sides have a good chance of scuttling this deal before it gets started. If it does go through, something will happen due to all the distrust on both sides and the resulting pissing match will nullify it and it's back to where we are now.
.Liberals, Livid, Say Chuck Schumer 'Unfit' to Lead Senate Dems
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.White House: Schumer's Decision 'Disappointing'
The decision by one of the top Democrats in the U.S. Senate to oppose the nuclear deal between Iran and world powers was "disappointing but not surprising," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said on Friday.
President Barack Obama's hopes of preserving the nuclear deal were dealt a blow on Thursday when New York's Schumer came out against it even as the White House tried to draw attention to other lawmakers who are backing the agreement.
Earnest told reporters that the Obama administration worked closely with Schumer to explain details of the deal even before it was signed in an effort to gain his support.
"Ultimately, it didn't turn out that way. I don't think anybody was surprised," Earnest said.
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Schumer's not right very often. I guess for once he wanted to see what it was like?!
Behold the pale horse. The man who sat on him was death, and Hell followed with him.
Olevet Posse Pistolero
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize 2015.
The 24 hour notice is for non-nuclear sites. The 4 prisoner deal has nothing to do with nuclear issue, Hezbollah, or Quds, or anything else.
Don't think they will have enough votes to overcome veto. It's okay for Chuck, his pockets just got a bit heavier with some AIPAC change.
Then why the **** is it called a DEAL? What did the USA get out of this?
OleVet Posse Instigator
Obama got to have another pep rally and say look at me and how awesome I am. Why you think he's so butt-hurt that not everyone is celebrating with him?
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Olevet Posse Pistolero
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize 2015.
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Reduction of leu from 10,000 kilo to 300, not enough for a bomb. Breakout time has increased from roughly two months to a year. Heavy water facility at Arak dismantled and all plutonium production ends. Reduction of centrifuges. Historically intrusive inspection regime. The ability to inspect military sites such as Parchin, which is above and beyond Additional Protocol to NPT. And, if our dipsh*t Congress had a clue, numerous opportunities for aviation! transportation, banking, etc. However, many sanctions are left in place because they are not part of nuclear deal.
What do we lose?
Facts. Sell that crap somewhere else. We're all full up here. [/Jack Nicholson from As Good As It Gets]
Lib Idiots.
Show us this "DEAL"
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OBOTS
Solid responses, sound reasoning, and obviously answered the question posed. Well done.
Ok Sir, Im going to ask you to SHOW me the Deal ok? Whats In this DEAL for us?
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You're just sposed to take Obammy's and the sheep's word that it's a good deal okay?!
Behold the pale horse. The man who sat on him was death, and Hell followed with him.
Olevet Posse Pistolero
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize 2015.
Show you the deal? Wtf, google it. I just listed several items in the deal that we "got". What else do you get out of a nuclear deal, a Persian rug and a lifetime supply of pistachios?
Instead of pics of old Wendy's adds, cool remarks like obots, and the like, why don't the dissenters articulate it is what the USA loses in this deal.
Who is performing the insepctions?
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