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    Re: Bernie Sanders. Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    ---Norway has 5M people Sweden about 10M and not nearly the percentage of slugs we have here-----Norway receives huge royalty payments that fund many programs------ Hard to compare to the USA----Show me a large country where Socialism is working well------And a better question ,Why would you want more Socialism in this country?
    Good point. I'm not a "socialist". I think there's a line from Communist to 100% Capitalist. We're on that line. Some of us think we need to be further one way or the other. We have a graduated income tax, we have public schools, we have Medicare, Medicaid, etc. We have aspects of a socialistic society. I'd be more happy to get rid of some of our corporate socialism.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders. Really?

    I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. I still say he was the greatest Running Back of all time and would make a good presidential candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerorLater View Post
    I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. I still say he was the greatest Running Back of all time and would make a good presidential candidate.
    Too bad Tom Brady isn't running....certainly the best candidate to deal with inflation.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders. Really?

    I think Bernie's message is obviously getting some traction. "Income inequality" is a hot issue and even the Pubs are trying to find a way to work this into their talking points. Bernie has went after the banks and insurance companies and is certainly not main stream. With more and more people on the teat, there is his sweet spot.
    "If you don't agree with gay marriage, blame the straight people. They are the ones that keep having gay babies."

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    Re: Bernie Sanders. Really?

    Medicare, Medicaid and public education----Three fine examples of Socialism not working very well

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    Quote Originally Posted by East Coast Bias View Post
    I think Bernie's message is obviously getting some traction. "Income inequality" is a hot issue and even the Pubs are trying to find a way to work this into their talking points. Bernie has went after the banks and insurance companies and is certainly not main stream. With more and more people on the teat, there is his sweet spot.
    Bitching about the amount the other guy pays in taxes when you pay none should really resonate with half of the public.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders. Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    Medicare, Medicaid and public education----Three fine examples of Socialism not working very well
    https://www.google.com/search?q=obam...4AK_JKQ_05M%3A

    I saw more than a handful of these back in the day. Funny story, I swear I saw one of my college roommates in one of the various Tea Party protests with misspelled signs. He denied that it was him. We're great friends yet we differ politically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    ---Norway has 5M people Sweden about 10M and not nearly the percentage of slugs we have here-----Norway receives huge royalty payments that fund many programs------ Hard to compare to the USA----Show me a large country where Socialism is working well------And a better question ,Why would you want more Socialism in this country?
    Socialism works best with monocultures. The Scandinavian countries are monocultures with like people and like views/ethics. Easier to "share" with that attitude. Sweden is beginning to have issues due to immigrant imports.
    Everything progressives do is aimed at weakening democracy, capitalism and the social and cultural institutions that support those things...... They are about subjugating people and being a ruling class.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders. Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    From what I've read his tax rates would be lower than those under Dwight D. Eisenhower.
    But with a lot fewer deductions resulting in a higher effective tax rate.
    Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders. Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    Ed Schultz has a man crush on Bernie
    So he has a boner for Bernie? NTTIAWWT.
    Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.

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    I know I am pathetically out of touch with the media, but I had to google this Bernie guy. Sounds like a white, old obama.

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    I see these idiot people out at these Hillary and Bernie rallies and it just reminds me what a bunch of stupid people we have in this country. What message does either one of these pinheads have that would be a benefit to anyone that actually works for a living? And they want to convince me that they are looking out for us?

    I asked my 30 year old daughter the other day what percentage she would guess people in her generation would pick having the government take care/control them from cradle to grave versus having 100% freedom to make your life as you wish and she guessed 50% would pick having the government take control of their lives. And some of us wonder why and how we elected this lying POS Prez not once but twice?

    The left will not freely admit it, at least publicly, but they are giddy that their efforts to create a culture that is willing to cede control of their lives to a central government is almost complete. A model that is 180 degrees opposite of the principles and virtues that made this country a great country. Personal responsibility, self reliance and a very strong work ethic all were the virtues that allowed the United States to be different, to be great. The left has done everything possible to destroy those bedrock principles. And they are succeeding. Reverse course? Good luck. Anytime a politician tries to do the right thing and re-examine a government program, make it more efficient, cut out the waste and fraud, he is met with something to the effect of "rolling granny over the cliff" or "the Republicans are starving little children"....and the elected official who tried to do the right thing backs down, having lost the PR battle thanks to the main stream media.

    Yes, we are doomed I hate to say.
    "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, it's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    So he has a boner for Bernie? NTTIAWWT.
    -I think Ed has given it up to Bernie

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    Bernie is frightening----Does he have an clue on what he wants would cost---------How can you left wingers not see that he is a fool?

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    Re: Bernie Sanders. Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    Bernie is frightening----Does he have an clue on what he wants would cost---------How can you left wingers not see that he is a fool?
    Good thing the last Republican president didn't cost us much....

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    Re: Bernie Sanders. Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    Good thing the last Republican president didn't cost us much....
    ----What does that have to do with Bernie being a complete fool-----------or is that Bush's fault too?

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    Re: Bernie Sanders. Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    But with a lot fewer deductions resulting in a higher effective tax rate.
    [RonaldReaganVoice]There you go again,[/RonaldReaganVoice] trying to use facts in a tax argument with a socialist.
    "General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
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    Re: Bernie Sanders. Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    Good thing the last Republican president didn't cost us much....
    ---Barack has piled up more debt than all the other president combined-------Barack is one of the weakest Presidents of all times

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    Quote Originally Posted by champions77 View Post
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    I asked my 30 year old daughter the other day what percentage she would guess people in her generation would pick having the government take care/control them from cradle to grave versus having 100% freedom to make your life as you wish and she guessed 50% would pick having the government take control of their lives. And some of us wonder why and how we elected this lying POS Prez not once but twice?
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    I doubt that your daughter's estimate is accurate. But what if it is? I figure it's their country now to be shaped the way they want it. I have a daughter of similar age and I consider it to be her time now (and her generation's). I've had my time and it's been a pretty good run. I'm still in the work force producing but I know I have a single digit number of years left to do that. My goal now is to invest in my grown kids future for as long as I can and to do everything I can to be self sufficient until I croak so as not to be a burden on the young folks. If they want a more centralized society, they're the ones that will be the producers and have the burden of making it work. BTW, my daughter seems to have more of an entrepreneurial spirit and I don't think she represents only 50% of the millennials.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders. Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    Bernie is frightening----Does he have an clue on what he wants would cost---------How can you left wingers not see that he is a fool?
    Sanders is too collectivist to run as a Democrat. He should go 3rd party.
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

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