NOT THE PAC 12!! I HATE ALL OF THE TEAMS! DO YOU WANT TO BE SUBJECT TO THE TERRIBLE REFEREES OVER AND OVER AGAIN?
NOT THE PAC 12!! I HATE ALL OF THE TEAMS! DO YOU WANT TO BE SUBJECT TO THE TERRIBLE REFEREES OVER AND OVER AGAIN?
I'll take the chances of terrible referees over being in the same conference with the likes of TCU, West Virginia, Houston, and UCF/USF.Originally Posted by Pride1Mom
"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
President Ronald Reagan at the Berlin Wall, June 12, 1987
Those teams with BCS bowl victories just grow on trees, don't they?
What does that have to do with anything? The BCS is gone. And, a victory in one of their old bowl games is no reason to invite Johnny-Come-Lately football programs on board.
"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
President Ronald Reagan at the Berlin Wall, June 12, 1987
The BCS is gone? I'm surprised you knew that, as you don't seem to be able to keep up with the times.
West Virginia won the Sugar Bowl in 2006 against #7 Georgia, the Fiesta Bowl in 2008 against Oklahoma, and the Orange Bowl in 2012 against Clemson by 37 points. Throw in the fact that TCU won the Rose Bowl, and you've got every major event short of the the MNC covered by these two "embarrassments."
Seven of the mighty twelve that you so desperately yearn for never even won one of these games, so it seems like it's quite an accomplishment. Those 3 wins of WVU's is equal to OSU, KU, NU, KSU, BU, CU, A&M, TT, ISU, and MU combined.
Seems like a lot of OU fans have had a change of heart about the SEC? I know when this came up in 2011, you could nary find an OU fan in favor of joining the SEC.
After the mismanagement that has occurred in the BIG XII since it's inception, and continues to this day (One Champion?) we now more than ever realize that we blew an opportunity that does not come around very often, to very many schools. We decided to remain with a "diminished brand" that schools have been clamoring to leave almost from the very beginning? The BIG XII is neither Big nor 12.
The SEC? Schools don't leave the SEC, they just try and get IN the SEC. Whether or not we will have a second chance to be with the best is unknown today. I spend quite a bit of time on "Tidefans.com" and it seems the prevailing thought over there is they will look to Virginia and North Carolina to fill slots 15 and 16. Much higher populations states mean more cable subscriptions. If I had to guess, I would say that is probably where they will go next.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, it's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-----Winston Churchill
Ah, the cable subscription thing. Like I said in my previous post why doesn't the Big 12 Add Rice, Northern Illinois, USF, UCF, Eastern Michigan and Cal St Fullerton. Now that's a lot of subscriptions.
Hey it's not everything, but it plays a huge role, i.e. Rutgers to the B1G.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, it's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-----Winston Churchill
If the SEC chose to take NC and VA this would be a net good thing for the Big 12. Actually I would welcome it. If those two schools left it would be the beginning of the end of the ACC as a football conference. At that point the football schools (Clemson, FSU, Miami, Va Tech) would start looking for an exit strategy.
Amen! And that's when we pounce.
I think the Big XII is perfectly fine as is, and don't really want us to invite USF and UCF. I mentioned those two schools for if we HAD to expand to 12 teams, and couldn't pluck other P5 schools. I don't think we have to expand, though. Having said that, I do think that if we added ND and UCF that it would improve the conference.
I think it's almost inevitable that the ACC and Big XII will merge at some point. It's just uncertain what the terms are. Will the Big XII engulf the ACC, or will it be the other way around? I'd be happy with some kind of 8+8 agreement where we leave Tech and ISU behind.
Now you have me thinking about having Miami and FSU in our conference, and I can't help but slobber. Big XII + ACC could really blow everybody else away when it's all said and done.
Again, with the BCS dead, West Virginia sucking, and TCU producing a 7-6 and 4-8 seasons prior to catching lightning in a bottle last year, why am I supposed to care? West Virginia will continue to suck, and the odds of TCU reverting to form are greater than them producing another 12 - or even 10 - win season.
In short, the Big 12 has chosen horribly in "replacing" those schools who have left. Houston, Central Florida, and South Florida would nothing but continue to drive the conference toward C-USA-like competitiveness.
Last edited by Tear Down This Wall; 7/7/2015 at 03:38 PM.
"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
President Ronald Reagan at the Berlin Wall, June 12, 1987
Since joining the Big 12:
West Virginia is 14-20 against FBS schools, 11-16 in Big 12 games.
TCU is 20-15 against FBS schools, 14-13 in Big 12 games.
You go ahead and be impressed with West Virginia and TCU. If and when OU leaves the Big 12, perhaps you can choose one of them as your new favorite school.
"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
President Ronald Reagan at the Berlin Wall, June 12, 1987
The BCS is in the past, yes. You know what else is in the past? Every single game that's ever been played.
Outside of winning a MNC, the biggest accomplishment you can achieve in college football is winning a BCS bowl game. WVU won BCS bowls in 2006, 2008, and 2012 with THREE separate coaches. That's a strong indication of consistent success. The fact that WVU and TCU got smacked in the mouth when they first entered the Big XII only shows the strength of the conference. If this were really C-USA they would have been winning conference championships from day 1 rather than having losing seasons.
Damn. The Big XII must be a tough conference. You've convinced me!
Not even close. That either one could produce a 12 win season in short amount of time shows how far it has fallen. Remember, it took Baylor 15 years to have a winning season after joining the Big 12.
In the years that followed that season, we had the exodus of established schools and entrance of the mediocre. Baylor has thrived in the watered down environment. Neither WVU nor TCU has done that.
The Big 12 a pathetic shell of the conference it once was. The sooner we leave it behind, the better. Sticking around and waiting to pick up C-USA/WAC/Big East scrap pile programs is not the answer.
"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
President Ronald Reagan at the Berlin Wall, June 12, 1987
Make up your mind! You can't have it both ways. Just a minute ago you were saying that they've been horrible in our conference, which meant that they were terrible schools, and now you're saying that they've had some success, so that means the conference is terrible. That's not how logic works.
WHAT?!?!? One sentence ago you were talking about TCU producing a 12 win season in short time, and now you're saying they haven't thrived in this "watered down" environment? A 12 win season isn't thriving? Seriously, dude. Make up your mind.In the years that followed that season, we had the exodus of established schools and entrance of the mediocre. Baylor has thrived in the watered down environment. Neither WVU nor TCU has done that.
That's because the Big 12-4+2 is in a very untenable situation. Back when Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado(admittedly not a big loss) and TAMU left it appeared that the Big 12 had a lot of options in replacing them but most of the viable options were snapped up by other conferences. Boren and the other school presidents were able to console themselves with a new television deal but the harsh reality is that the Big 12 is dead in the water and there is zero chance that any decent programs will join the conference to give it a new spark. The worst case scenario is if Texas decides it wants to go it alone or join the Big 10. If that happens OU better have a Come-to-Jesus moment and grab whatever life preserver is thrown them by one of the remaining Power 5 conferences even if OSU isn't offered one.
Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.
One year of success is thriving? Talk about lowering the bar.
Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.
You chicken-littles crack me up. We're the University of Oklahoma, and there are no bad scenarios for us. Even if no other conferences wanted us (LOLOL!), we'd be just fine as an independent. Just about any team in the country would listen to us if we offered them a home-and-home. Hell, being an independent might be a GREAT scenario! We could have annual games against Texas, OSU, and probably Nebraska, and mix in games against schools like Miami, Alabama, ND, tOSU, Michigan, etc. however we please.
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