You're right. They've only been the best team in the conference once in three years, and they're preseason-projected to make it two out of four. They're definitely riding the struggle-bus.Originally Posted by FaninAma
You're right. They've only been the best team in the conference once in three years, and they're preseason-projected to make it two out of four. They're definitely riding the struggle-bus.
I don't think the universities of North Carolina or Virginia are in play., though I think we would take Carolina in a heartbeat if they would come. BUT I DO think any future sec expansion will involve some combination of schools from those states. My best bet would be on NC State and Virginia Tech. Lots of upside as I see it--We would be getting a solid enhancer to our basketball portfolio(NCState), add a solid football program( Tech), and expand our footprint into two, fast-growing states that both have traditional ties to the Deep South. Also some very large TV markets in those areas, including the Washington DC market.
You guys have one of the Crown Jewels of college football( OU), but at this time I see no scenario where OU would again be offered membership in our conference. Instead I see your school eventually aligning with the PAC 12.
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Oklahoma will begin working with the Pacific Institute after the 2009 season.
"(Oklahoma coach) Bob Stoops' words to me were, 'I want exactly what Alabama got,'" Institute instructor Antowaine Richardson said.
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I agree. Still believe that Boren was given assurances that OU was PAC bound, and when we found out we weren't, Mizzou has already taken our seat at the SEC table. I would hope that Boren would not now reconsider the PAC after what happened before, as it was embarrassing after the bravado Boren had shown about how badly OU was coveted. Now if the SEC things is not going to happen, I guess Boren would "forgive" Larry Scott for misleading OU.
You are right about the scarcity of quality schools left. And let's not just serve as a "life raft" for lesser programs that will do little but elevate them and not the conference so much. Can you imagine if we accepted Houston how much better they would recruit that valuable recruiting area? It would make OU's job that much harder to recruit great players, just like the SEC has helped A&M.
I hope and pray that we don't settle for a lesser conference just because the pukes up the road aren't invited. That would be a dereliction of duty as far as I'm concerned. That is not in President Boren's job description to accept a less desirable option for OU in order to help little brother. That would be cause for a torchlight demonstration at Boyd House demanding Boren's resignation, or at least it should be.
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Agreed, 77. Missouri has actually prospered since making the move, and I think your program would have also. You and I see that, as I think most other fans do. Why is Boren so far off the reservation on this, do you suppose? Was it really disdain for SEC academics? I'm sorry, but I just don't buy that one. Political entanglement with OSU? That one I can see.
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Oklahoma will begin working with the Pacific Institute after the 2009 season.
"(Oklahoma coach) Bob Stoops' words to me were, 'I want exactly what Alabama got,'" Institute instructor Antowaine Richardson said.
The University of Alabama --All-Time leader with 10 AP NC's in the modern era and back-to-back AP NC's 3 times (64/65, 78/79, 11/12)
He doesn't understand the concept of the bar being lowered. That's why he doesn't look at the exodus of the more established programs and the taking on of the mediocre as becoming less competitive.
Baylor didn't thrive until programs began to leave. A&M handed them their as*s their final three seasons in conference. Nebraska never lost to Baylor in the Big 12, 8-0 against them as conference mates. Mizzou, 7-2 against Baylor. Even rapidly sinking Colorado was 4-3 against Baylor in the Big 12.
These leave and you glom on crappy West Virginia and TCU.
Also, the reason we complain about OU being mediocre is the coaching. The conference is ripe for the taking every year because it has become watered down, and Stoops & Company pi*ss it away in stupid ways. The stupidest is the move away from defense and toward becoming the puke factory that is the Texas Tech football program.
Even as mediocre as OU has become, they still have produced a better overall record in and out of conference than half-as*sed West Virginia and TCU.
It's awful. Adding Houston, Central Florida, and/or South Florida? That those schools are even discussed in the same breath with Oklahoma football shows how far the conference has fallen.
Boren and Castilgione have got to wake up, grab the last parachute for us, and get out before the whole thing crashes.
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DB put all of his eggs in the PAC 12 basket, and we were left behind. I wonder if DB had done his due diligence a little better and seen that the commitment to OU was not there as Larry Scott had portrayed, if then Boren would have focused on the SEC more? When you think that you are going west, that becomes the focus, nothing else. Remember we may outwardly state that we are all about the BIG XII, but in 2011 we had no problem leaving the conference and creating the kayos that was sure to occur for the rest of the league.
I have heard from more than one source that DB is hearing it from the big money donors about their unhappiness with the Big XII, so much in fact that it is even having an adverse effect on raising money. That these donors see the BIG XII as a weakened conference, and that perception will have far reaching effects, from recruiting to selection into the Final Four. And there are not any worthy schools left that would strengthen the conference to where it needs to be. And leaving is the most prudent thing for OU to do.
I also can't help but think that the new Texas AD Steve Patterson is maybe up to some shenanigans of some sort or another. I mean don't you have to automatically look to the University of Texas first if there is some discontent in the conference? When you have a track record of running off Arkansas, Nebraska and Texas A&M, then you have quite a resume. Maybe Patterson feels the revenue sharing is not to his liking? Maybe Patterson has been given some signals from ESPN that their relationship with the LHN will not survive the long term, therefore Patterson sees a loss of revenue down the road and is trying to do something about it? If so, is OU now at the breaking point with UT, and coexisting with them is no longer palatable?
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Comparing Baylor under Guy Morriss and Kevin Steele to Baylor under Art Briles is like comparing Oklahoma with John Blake to Oklahoma with Bob Stoops.
You have a hard-on for teams with "tradition," and can't seem to get past the fact that Nebraska, Mizzou, and A&M were all middle-of-the-road Big XII programs. Colorado was a bottom-dweller. Sorry, but Tom Osborne is long gone, and TCU would beat every one of these teams that departed next year by at least two scores.
I bet TDTW owns a brick and mortar book store.
Why would you presume he reads books?
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Are you going to travel to the away games if OU plays Georgia, Auburn, Florida, etc.? As for last year's Kansas game, the weather was a monsoon, and a lot of people did not go. I was there. Now the BigXII has West Virginia, and everyone complains about the travel expenses. The lesser sports, like softball and baseball and even basketball is really difficult. I can remember the constant flack about how Baylor was too small of a school, but it looks like they have made the competition more interesting......
The odds of me traveling to a game in Florida (UF, FSU, or Miami) are exponentially higher than me traveling to a game somewhere like Ames, IA or Lubbock, TX.
Yes. We travel to good away games. We didn't go to the Kansas game for a number of reasons; rain was just one of them. But, mainly, having already lost to TCU, Kansas State, and Baylor, there was nothing on the line.
The Kansas game is always a win anyway. The QB situation was a joke, as was the defense. So, for those of us that travel, it was a question of do we spend money for the whole weekend thing (gas, hotel, food, goodies for the kids, etc.) to watch a game with is rarely any more competitive or compelling that the Red-White game. The answer for us, and thousands of others, was, no - not worth it.
Again, we would for sure travel to SEC road games. OU sold out its allotment of tickets for the roadie with Tennessee this season. It would be the same because the SEC has many traditionally good football programs. It would be great to have those schools for road games. It is football worth watching on campuses with long football traditions.
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+1. The 2003 game at Tuscaloosa was the best football environment I have ever been to, bar none.
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We already added WVU to the conference, and now people are talking about adding BYU, UCF or Cincinnatti. Those aren't exactly short road trips. At this point, we are past the days of having easy travel within the conference, whether we stay in the Big 12, go to the PAC 12, or go to the SEC.
Exactly. Short of Tulsa or another Texas school the day of adding teams that are an easy drive is over.
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