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    Quote Originally Posted by Eielson View Post
    I'm not very familiar with how USPS works, so I'm willing to be edumacated.

    If the PO charges rates that are too low, and they end up having to use taxpayer money because of that, is that much of an issue? After all, the taxpayers are the ones benefiting from the low rates.

    It's always been my impression that USPS is one of the better ran organizations by the government.
    The problem with that model is that the usage varies greatly between individuals (I don't use USPS often) and many people pay little tax. So there needs to be justification the subsidy benefits the country as a whole. Otherwise, it's better to have the actual users pay fully for the service.

    I've had few complaints with USPS service, but their balance sheet is awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    ----No their cost to provide the service is way too high------CUT COSTS---- As an example---Do you really need Saturday service?
    I'm not sure that's a good idea, and I think you may be looking at this in a vacuum. The purpose of the USPS isn't to make money for itself, is it? Many American businesses would suffer as a result of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eielson View Post
    I'm not sure that's a good idea, and I think you may be looking at this in a vacuum. The purpose of the USPS isn't to make money for itself, is it? Many American businesses would suffer as a result of this.
    ---90% of the mail I receive never makes it into the house straight to recycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    --- Congress has the power to establish Post Offices---I would guess they could sell it
    They could have pre-1900, but I think all of the supreme court rulings after 1900 pushed the executive branch from oversight/designation to administration/operation of it. Don't even get me started on how an unchanged document can be interpreted by different justices so differently over time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderSooner79 View Post
    The problem with that model is that the usage varies greatly between individuals (I don't use USPS often) and many people pay little tax. So there needs to be justification the subsidy benefits the country as a whole. Otherwise, it's better to have the actual users pay fully for the service.

    I've had few complaints with USPS service, but their balance sheet is awful.
    I agree, and I'm not suggesting they should intentionally do that. Ideally, the USPS never uses any tax dollars, but I don't see it as a big deal if happens occasionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    ---90% of the mail I receive never makes it into the house straight to recycle
    If they're out delivering the 10% of important things, they might as well drop of the other stuff too, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    ---90% of the mail I receive never makes it into the house straight to recycle
    Quote Originally Posted by Eielson View Post
    If they're out delivering the 10% of important things, they might as well drop of the other stuff too, right?
    That Bulk mail we all throw away at the PO is helping keep the cost of stamps down
    I still take those Postage paid envelopes and stuff em with other crap and mail em back to em . It makes the PO money also LOL I was at my sisters one weekend and was bored she had a bunch of those credit card offer deals She was gonna throw em out i got all the Prepaid envvelopes and stuffed with the Sunday comics then mailed em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olevetonahill View Post
    That Bulk mail we all throw away at the PO is helping keep the cost of stamps down
    I still take those Postage paid envelopes and stuff em with other crap and mail em back to em . It makes the PO money also LOL I was at my sisters one weekend and was bored she had a bunch of those credit card offer deals She was gonna throw em out i got all the Prepaid envvelopes and stuffed with the Sunday comics then mailed em.
    Ha! I only do it with the banks. Anyone get the Capital One envelopes, that purport to have a tracking code on the back of the envelope? Either a LOT of people do this, or the Cap One CEO got really P.O.d over his lack of control. Did anybody ever take the time to see if the codes are really unique? They have a nice heavy piece of cardboard in them that probably jacks up the cost of the return mail another ounce.
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    The Greek fallout will be bad for Europe but Puerto Rico's impeding default will affect the US much more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TAFBSooner View Post
    Ha! I only do it with the banks. Anyone get the Capital One envelopes, that purport to have a tracking code on the back of the envelope? Either a LOT of people do this, or the Cap One CEO got really P.O.d over his lack of control. Did anybody ever take the time to see if the codes are really unique? They have a nice heavy piece of cardboard in them that probably jacks up the cost of the return mail another ounce.
    I dropped off a broken toaster with one of em attached to, Never did hear what happened with it LOL
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    jkm, I would also say that Greece's communistic monetary policies with socialized retirement, wages and such with many depending upon the central government is also the problem, more than just currency floating, etc. Many people don't want to give up what they have, hence the Socialists win in the last election. PR, on the other hand, is messed up an I wonder if you and I (along with all tax paying Americans) will pay for it in the end.
    Everything progressives do is aimed at weakening democracy, capitalism and the social and cultural institutions that support those things...... They are about subjugating people and being a ruling class.

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    jkm, I would also say that Greece's communistic monetary policies with socialized retirement, wages and such with many depending upon the central government is also the problem, more than just currency floating, etc. Many people don't want to give up what they have, hence the Socialists win in the last election. PR, on the other hand, is messed up an I wonder if you and I (along with all tax paying Americans) will pay for it in the end.
    Their policies are an issue especially the minimum wage that starts at age 21 (since it causes a high drop out rate and then high unemployment at 21+).

    However, you have to look at it from a bird's eye view. Over the last 6 years, Greece's GDP has contracted by 25% (with unemployment rising from 7 to 25%). When that happens your currency normally falls in value which then makes you more competitive on the world stage since you produce goods for less. The problem is that while they've lost 25%, Germany and France have been growing and keep the currency higher which doesn't give Greece any advantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkm, the stolen pifwafwi View Post
    Their policies are an issue especially the minimum wage that starts at age 21 (since it causes a high drop out rate and then high unemployment at 21+).

    However, you have to look at it from a bird's eye view. Over the last 6 years, Greece's GDP has contracted by 25% (with unemployment rising from 7 to 25%). When that happens your currency normally falls in value which then makes you more competitive on the world stage since you produce goods for less. The problem is that while they've lost 25%, Germany and France have been growing and keep the currency higher which doesn't give Greece any advantages.
    In a nutshell you have described the intrinsic flaw of the EU monetary structure. Germany is able to reap the benefits of a currency that floats lower than if they were under the old Deutsche Mark. The PIIGS have the opposite problem. This was doomed from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eielson View Post
    I'm not sure that's a good idea, and I think you may be looking at this in a vacuum. The purpose of the USPS isn't to make money for itself, is it? Many American businesses would suffer as a result of this.
    I'm trying to figure out whether or not you are joking. The USPS isn't the only game in town for the transfer of goods and information. E-mail, anyone? UPS? Fedex? Freight?

    American businesses would do just fine without the post office. At one point, I think it was Ross Perot who offered to buy and privatize the post office. I'm sure he'd have made it more efficient. It isn't rocket science. The problem is too much money promised to too many current and retired employees.

    The problem with the post office, largely, is the problem of many quasi-govermental and union businesses: labor costs comprise 80% or more of their expenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkm, the stolen pifwafwi View Post
    Their policies are an issue especially the minimum wage that starts at age 21 (since it causes a high drop out rate and then high unemployment at 21+).

    However, you have to look at it from a bird's eye view. Over the last 6 years, Greece's GDP has contracted by 25% (with unemployment rising from 7 to 25%). When that happens your currency normally falls in value which then makes you more competitive on the world stage since you produce goods for less. The problem is that while they've lost 25%, Germany and France have been growing and keep the currency higher which doesn't give Greece any advantages.
    If you want to get real technical, it's just the Greece sucks. It produces almost nothing the world really needs. Olives? Pepperoncinis, maybe?

    Italy is almost as worthless as Greece as well.
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    I read on a wire story earlier that Greece goods are almost entirely imported, so your olives and pepperoncinis comment is not too far off. It's greatest draw is tourism due to very historical sites, but that is scheduled for a drastic drop if people have to carry cash in an insecure country that might not have a readily available supply of goods at stores even if you don't get mugged first.

    Italy's big draw is its history as well. It might have been decades since the Renaissance, but it's still where it all started, even if you can get a pizza anywhere else in the world these days

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tear Down This Wall View Post
    If you want to get real technical, it's just the Greece sucks. It produces almost nothing the world really needs. Olives? Pepperoncinis, maybe?

    Italy is almost as worthless as Greece as well.
    No, but it hauls everything the world needs. They have the largest merchant marine in the world, but getting those guys to pay taxes has been a little bit of a chore.

    Italy is an interesting story as well - Northern Italy has a crazy good economy...that supports southern italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerorLater View Post
    In a nutshell you have described the intrinsic flaw of the EU monetary structure. Germany is able to reap the benefits of a currency that floats lower than if they were under the old Deutsche Mark. The PIIGS have the opposite problem. This was doomed from the start.
    This is exactly right. The Euro has subsidized Germany's economy by making their exports as cheap as every other EU nation. This has been very detrimental to countries in the EU who may have had an advantage in costs of exports due to their currency exchange rates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tear Down This Wall View Post
    If you want to get real technical, it's just the Greece sucks. It produces almost nothing the world really needs. Olives? Pepperoncinis, maybe?

    Italy is almost as worthless as Greece as well.
    That is because everybody works for the government. A bit of an exaggeration but not much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tear Down This Wall View Post
    I'm trying to figure out whether or not you are joking.
    I wasn't.

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