Are there some WI democrats who think even the socialist Obama is too conservative for them? I'm saying I believe that some of them are that way.
Are there some WI democrats who think even the socialist Obama is too conservative for them? I'm saying I believe that some of them are that way.
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
You folks may not be aware but the WI constitution protects, big time,
the sitting incumbent in a recall. If memory serves, the incumbent has
essentially a blank check to defend him/herself in a recall while the challenger
is restricted to a very small amount of $$ to campaign with. It is something
like (not sure here) 5-7 to 1. I'm pretty sure that Walker outspent his opponent
about 7 to 1...he had outside money, hand over fist, while Kohl? (his opponent)
had many clamps on his campaign. Admittedly, I'm left of center and anti-union
at the same time but in support of WI unions, the fight wasn't fair and they still
almost got him. To take away collective bargaining rights to bust the union and
keep it busted sucks. Here in IA, a giant out of state company building a fertilizer
plant just fired 2500 union workers and is actively recruiting non union workers
from TX to replace them (this Co got over $100m in tax incentives from the Pub
governor to build here). I mention this only because it APPEARS the playing field
in not level, both in WI and this IA example.
Obama too conservative...nah...but then there are wingnuts in both parties, some
Indies, too.
Couple questions on yer statement Bro.Originally Posted by rock on sooner
What makes ya think any one HERE gives a **** what a bunch of Lib yankees do in Wi.?
Nother is ya got a link to thaat story of an Out of state company firing 2500 workers?
Ive been to a Lot of Plants under construction and never knew on to have to have so many construction workers
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The GOP (including Walker, PACs, out of state donations, etc.) spent $58m while Democrats (including all candidates, PACs, out of state donations, etc.) spent $22m. Outside special interest groups spent $40m on Walker and $36m on Democrats.
Now, there's a cap of $10,000 on donations over the term of office for Wisconsin elected officials, but there is a four month period between the recall papers being filed and the election itself in which the normal limit-cap does not apply. This allowed Walker to raise money over that cap; HOWEVER, and this is a big 'HOWEVER', it also allows recall committees to raise beyond the cap as well. Meaning those committees formed for the purpose of recalling Walker were able to break the same cap. In fact, Wisconsin Democrats have in the past benefited from this rule to win their own recall elections.
And the Koch Bros? For Christ's sake.
Rock,
I did some poking around and found this.
SourceOver the course of the campaign, those supporting the recalls, including organized labor, spent an estimated $20 million to recall the GOP senators. On the other side, nearly as much was spent by and on behalf of the incumbents.
http://www.wpri.org/WPRI/Reports/201...-Wisconsin.htm
The above was in regards to the recalls on the GOP senators.
I haven't found any info on the $$ spent by both sides re the Walker recall yet.
It would seem from the above there isn't much in the way of restrictions on spending for the folks trying to unseat an incumbent in a recall, in fact it would appear they outspent the incumbents in those recall attempts.
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Hey rock...I support the workers right to collective bargaining in the private sector but I sure don't support a government employee's right to collective bargaining.
I also support a company's right to replace union workers...that's the balance to collective bargaining.
Heh, Vet, I knew that you dint GAS about WI workers..lol..
The company is Orascom..it's the largest public company in Eygt.
The plant is a $1.4B job....Google "Orascom lays off IA workers"
you'll get several different stories to read. The report is they laid
off 2500 unionized workers with no notice and are aggressively
recruiting non union workers in TX. This company got $100m tax
incentive to build here in IA from our Pub governor...
Public employees should never be allowed to unionize. They should never be allowed to collective bargain. They should never be allowed to 'strike' and the penalty for doing so should be dismissal from their job.
Good. Unions are soon to be a thing of the past. They're fighting tooth and nail to keep their scam going.
OleVet Posse Instigator
There were never good public employee unions. They've all been a travesty that should never have happened in the first place. Now, private sector unions are another matter. I hate the damned things and always have, but I'm not oblivious to the fact that they did some good. Furthermore, everyone in the private sector ought to have the right to unionize. Now, whether a business or industry chooses to accept and work with a union is another matter entirely. Personally, if I owned a business and my employees unionized then I'd fire every single one of them assuming they were relatively easy to replace with non-union workers. Sometimes you're in a situation where skilled employees are not easily replaced by non-union workers -- in those cases, I truly feel sorry for company executives.
Plus I am pretty sure all of the "VOLUNTEER" time spent by public employee union members to recall Walker didn't show up in the limits on campaign spending, either.
Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.
Good posts, Sicem. Businesses should have the right to hire non-union labor. Laws prohibiting them from doing that shouldn't be considered legal.
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Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
Very good point.
The Dems in Wisky now have company.
http://wcmcoop.com/2015/03/29/wiscon...-scott-walker/
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BOY HOWDY !!!!
I guess you didn't see this little correction at the bottom of the article:
CORRECTION: Pete Kennedy is not a Republican.
But carry on, I never like to interrupt somebody on the left when they are making a fool of themselves.
Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.
Hilarious!...and, pathetic. Why do you bother to read such smut?
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
If there's a lie in the article please feel free to mention it. Meanwhile the slow but sure vetting of the College Dropout continues.... by both Parties.
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BOY HOWDY !!!!
We have little doubt the Left is trying hard to discredit him. Means he's gotta be doing some worthwhile things.
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
Why not?
Ukraine: Not Our Fight.
More epicycles!
Because they are government jobs that are paid for by taxpayers. They have representation through their congressmen and state legislators/local officials to get pay hikes and/or working conditions to be changed. On the state and lower levels the competition between other states/municipalities will also provide incentives for wage increases/better benefits. They certainly shouldn't be allowed to "strike" (although many aren't allowed to strike by law) and hold the government and/or taxpayers hostage for their demands.
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