The trouble with most of this is that it is politically driven and the messenger can twist it to suit their agenda. The shifting terminology makes any worthwhile discussion almost impossible. What are we talking about? Global warming or just Anthropogenic Global Warming? Climate change in general?
It's about government taking more control over our lives. Any attempts to prevent that are spurned by the PC people.Originally Posted by SoonerorLater
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
Sometimes government is in place to protect us from The impact of greed. Think about the Burning of the burning of the rain forests.
It's always about the government taking more control. Maybe some of the resident statists on the board can tell us about all of the legislation passed over the last century or so that decreased government control of our daily existence. Lots and lots of rules, not so much liberty.
Are you directing this at me?
As I stated, 95% of scientific literature agrees that global warming is real, and that human activity contributes to it. The only people twisting it to suit their agenda are the ones magnifying the 5%, and the ones privately giving millions of dollars for those people to make more.
Statist is such an overused (and in this case, misused) term on this board. It makes me want to haphazardly start calling everybody anarchists.
All I ever said is that those who pay people to pretend global warming isn't real for their own selfish desires are scum. I never asked for new laws.
Have you considered that Global Warming isn't real, or that if it is, it's not manmade, and if manmade, 3rd world catastrophe countries are setting the standard, and it's not even close?
It's not worth bowing to the screaming media and their politicians just because they drown out the other voices.
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
Yes. I've definitely considered it.
Then why do you keep listening to them? Your beliefs on this are certainly not coming from the scientists.It's not worth bowing to the screaming media and their politicians
They are indeed. Yours are coming from the screamers. Just asking that you and others not place such faith in those who want to perpetually allow government to always take more control over its citizens.
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
You realize I have a degree in science, right? My beliefs on this are whole-heartedly based on conversations and lectures from professors and scientists (most are a combination of both) with PhD's.
I know you believe you are right, and I don't expect you convince you that you aren't. Just asking to consider the very really possibility that we are being fed intentional inaccuracies by those who want to gain more power.
I'm sure on this board and in so many other places people have argued the global warming/climate change til all are blue in the face. Just not willing to let the govt. have its way with the citizens any more than is unavoidable. (You may not be a democrat, but you do have a need to disavow it.) haha
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
Actually no I wasn't, but given your response maybe I should have been. Rephrase the question to scientists if global warming is verifiability anthropogenic in nature and the percentage drops significantly. Even if it was what would would you propose as a solution? There is no fuel source that gives us the bang for the buck that fossil fuel does. There isn't a viable one source alternative. We can nibble around the edges with renewable energy like solar and wind or we can look to nuclear with all of it's attendant problems but there isn't a suitable replacement energy source at this point.
My statement was that "95% of scientific literature agrees that global warming is real, and that human activity contributes to it." Note that I included the part about human activity. That is what you're getting at, right?
I wasn't proposing a solution in this thread. Just stating that anybody that, out of pure selfishness, spends millions of dollars to cover up what the scientific community overwhelmingly agrees on is scum. I certainly am not suggesting we should completely abandon fossil fuels overnight. That would be silly. I do think we should be moving in another direction, though. We're not all going to die tomorrow, but we can't continue with the path we're on.Even if it was what would would you propose as a solution? There is no fuel source that gives us the bang for the buck that fossil fuel does. There isn't a viable one source alternative. We can nibble around the edges with renewable energy like solar and wind or we can look to nuclear with all of it's attendant problems but there isn't a suitable replacement energy source at this point.
That's essentially what I've been trying to say to you. Many of these scientist I have learned from are very conservative, which is why I don't believe this should be a partisan issue.
I'm not.(You may not be a democrat, but you do have a need to disavow it.) haha
You are saying you think you are getting good information, and I'm saying don't be sure of that, even if you want to believe it's true.
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
"It's not worth bowing to the screaming media and their politicians."-RLimc!That's funny. I'm telling you you're listening to the incessant haranguing of the MSM and other democrats, and you tell me Im listening to people who want to control me and others(with the actual result being NOT to further control us, as opposed to what your sources advocate)
Oh well, we are not going to resolve the GW/CC debate here. Suffice it to say neither are proven, and won't be.
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Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
So now, what about ole Georgy Soros and his brand of evil?
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
I am sure that my degree in Meteorology trumps anything you got regarding understanding the research data and understanding of all the forces at play in nature...
While the climate changes, those forces are much greater than Anthropogenic changes. I do not believe the data outside of possibly CO2 emissions shows that Anthropogenic climate change is anything. The data, esp. temperature, shows a colling over the last 15 years or so...
I would say that "95%" or so you claim (where the hell is that number from...) is betting on or needs more government money for funding...I bet that the government wants to take f=more from us on either liberty or money... It is a deal with the devil and those so called 95% are complicite in falsification of data, manipulation of models to show their beliefs and complicit in trying to take over people lives.
Everything progressives do is aimed at weakening democracy, capitalism and the social and cultural institutions that support those things...... They are about subjugating people and being a ruling class.
If you think this is the case here, you are sadly duped...
Everything progressives do is aimed at weakening democracy, capitalism and the social and cultural institutions that support those things...... They are about subjugating people and being a ruling class.
+1 What fools. Another way to expand the federal governments reach, scope and control over the masses. Ask one of these clowns what about the times before mankind when the earth warmed? Usually give you a blank look. Ask them why they felt the need to falsify the very data that they were collecting? Ask why they located their probes in areas that would give them the higher temps? Ask them why they had to change the name of Global Warming to "Climate Change" after record low temps were being recorded around the globe? Ask them how some of the very same people predicted the next "Ice Age" back in the early 70's? Ask them if they are really ready to change their lifestyles while the results of their "sacrifice" is it will have zero effect on the environment?
WTHU
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