Elizabeth Warren doesn't think Boston Bomber should get death penalty

[yermom]

That's actually *worse*. You know that, right?

this says we win both:

http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest...xonomy_tid=All

not sure how old the data is though

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

I used to be a huge advocate in the death penalty, despite the fact that I'm pretty liberal otherwise. Nowadays, I'm more of an advocate of life without the possibility of parole, with consecutive sentences.

[Sooner Born Sooner Bred]

You might want to restate that Lil bro. we a Higher % per capita. Not a Higher number in total

As for the DP Im pretty much ambivalent. I dont see the sense in it , Not that I think its necessarily wrong. In certain clear cut cases it should be levied and carried out swiftly Much like McVeigh. On the other hand sentence em to LWOP and quit all the endless Money wasting appeals and last ditch efforts by the Do Gooders to save some maggots life, Just lock em away.

I must have lost my mind since I have been away, agreeing with OleVet on something political.

[Serenity Now]

Thats always been my position is its cheaper in the long run to lock em up and throw away the key, Unless they WANT to die then go ahead and snuff em.

As far as getting it wrong? Very seldom is a Truly innocent man condemned to death.

Damn. We agree except for that last part. "Very seldom" may be accurate. However, while even once is very, very seldom it is one too many times. Our country has killed innocent people. I have a problem with that. Especially given the fact that some science (i.e. DNA) is getting better and better.

[okie52]

Or to purge an evil from society.

Death does that.

[okie52]

I wish Mcveigh was still waking up every morning with the slow realization of where he is. Feed him vitamins, put him on a treadmill and make him live to be 120. He got off easy.

Hah...so you want him "tortured" by living his life behind bars?

Gitmos really not so bad after all?

[Serenity Now]

Hah...so you want him "tortured" by living his life behind bars?

Gitmos really not so bad after all?

I'm ambivalent on Gitmo. That's not related to this. Solitary for 80 years would have been a great punishment.

[BoulderSooner79]

Damn. We agree except for that last part. "Very seldom" may be accurate. However, while even once is very, very seldom it is one too many times. Our country has killed innocent people. I have a problem with that. Especially given the fact that some science (i.e. DNA) is getting better and better.

Agreed. Even extremely seldom (which I believe) is enough to give me pause given there is a life sentence alternative.

And then there are states I won't mention (Oklahoma) that even botch the procedure itself. Can't find the vein, get the wrong drugs or in the wrong dose, etc. (Didn't this happen fairly recently?). Many states still have the DP on the books, but have given up on using it due to all the issues involved.

[okie52]

Agreed. Even extremely seldom (which I believe) is enough to give me pause given there is a life sentence alternative.

And then there are states I won't mention (Oklahoma) that even botch the procedure itself. Can't find the vein, get the wrong drugs or in the wrong dose, etc. (Didn't this happen fairly recently?). Many states still have the DP on the books, but have given up on using it due to all the issues involved.

Put firing squads back on the books.

[okie52]

I'm ambivalent on Gitmo. That's not related to this. Solitary for 80 years would have been a great punishment.

But its not really rehabilitation, is it?

[Turd_Ferguson]

Agreed. Even extremely seldom (which I believe) is enough to give me pause given there is a life sentence alternative.

And then there are states I won't mention (Oklahoma) that even botch the procedure itself. Can't find the vein, get the wrong drugs or in the wrong dose, etc. (Didn't this happen fairly recently?). Many states still have the DP on the books, but have given up on using it due to all the issues involved.

Never understood the "issue" factor. If ya kilt him, then it worked...right?

[okie52]

Never understood the "issue" factor. If ya kilt him, then it worked...right?

Well he did have 45 minutes of "torture".

[Serenity Now]

Never understood the "issue" factor. If ya kilt him, then it worked...right?

Kind of hard to argue against...

[Turd_Ferguson]

Curious to see if the gassing execution bill get's passed.

[BoulderSooner79]

Never understood the "issue" factor. If ya kilt him, then it worked...right?

Yes, but then it gets into the cruel and unusual punishment clause - have to follow your own laws. I'm not morally opposed to the DP, but it just seems to be more hassle than it's worth for the tiny percentage of cases involved. Of course those cases are generally high profile, so it has infotainment value if one considers that real value.

[olevetonahill]

That's actually *worse*. You know that, right?

Just clarifying the facts Bro.

[FaninAma]

We need prison reform so incredibly bad in this country. We have a higher prison population than Communist China. The drug war is to blame for much of that. Our entire criminal justice system is rotten right down to the cops on the street.

You need to review what China did and does to drug dealers in that country. That's why they don't have a drug problem and the resultant prison population problems related to that. My advice to you if you go to China is DO NOT GET CAUGHT WITH DRUGS.

http://theaustralianheroindiaries.bl...elebrates.html

[olevetonahill]

I must have lost my mind since I have been away, agreeing with OleVet on something political.

Well Girl you Have to be Right every now and then!

[rock on sooner]

Curious to see if the gassing execution bill get's passed.

It did.

[Turd_Ferguson]

It did.

Fallen signed it?