Page 1 of 5 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 84
  1. #1
    Baylor Ambassador SicEmBaylor's Avatar
    Location
    74434
    Posts
    21,870
    vCash
    500

    Stand With Rand!

    My thoughts and feelings on the last two Republican nominees is no secret. People have criticized my politics by saying, “SicEm, don’t you know that no candidate is perfect? You have to compromise.” Or they would tell me, “You have to vote for the lesser of two evils! Don’t you understand that one choice is always going to be better than the other choice?” I always rejected the sentiment behind all of those statements and questions. My position was and remains the same: I will not vote for a candidate who does not share my values and principles. I’m quite aware of the fact that no candidate is perfect; I’m aware that some allowances and some compromises must be made. My standards should not be viewed as unrealistic nor should the bar be considered too high to reach for a viable Republican candidate. What I expect is that, on the whole, a candidate demonstrate a commitment to truly limiting and reducing the size/scope of government while also protecting and expanding individual/civil liberties. That is why we’re all Republicans, correct? We didn’t just wake up one day, flip a coin, and choose our party based on whether the coin landed on heads/tails. We’re Republicans because the Republican Party is *supposed* to stand for something. It’s supposed to stand for limited-government and individual/constitutional rights. Let’s be clear: John McCain did not and does not believe in limiting government or expanding liberty. Mitt Romney did not believe in limiting government or expanding government. McCain is downright hostile to both while Romney, at best, sought to merely manage the rate of government growth.

    There are two viable Republican candidates who have shown a commitment to the aforementioned criteria I laid out in the previous paragraph (one more so than the other.) My choice, as everyone knows, is Rand Paul. Paul has often been criticized by committed libertarians as not being libertarian enough, but Paul has never claimed to be a strict libertarian. He has been criticized for not being conservative enough (more on that later). Paul more closely matches my politics than any other major Republican since, perhaps, Barry Goldwater. Nobody should mistake Paul as being anything other than a conservative -- Paul is decidedly conservative with a libertarian streak. He’s libertarian in precisely those areas that will appeal to a greater constituency than the traditional Republican base, and this is an area where Paul has a definite edge over Cruz. Paul has made real efforts over his Senate term to reach out to those constituencies that normally have little or no contact with the Republican Party, namely, the tech industry and black community.

    There have been criticisms of Paul from so-called conservatives who think he is too soft on foreign policy (he’s actually too hardline for my tastes), too weak on national security issues, and too permissive with drug policy. These criticisms belie the fact that those individuals fail to understand the nature of conservatism. Mainstream (neoconservative) foreign policy that is the dominant position of the Republican Party is the deformed and monstrous offspring of progressive foreign policy -- it is a bizarre and dangerous combination of Wilsonianism and Trotskyism. It is entirely alien to conservatism save the last 10+ years that saw the rise of its popularity to such an extent that it redefined the meaning of conservative foreign policy. Paul advocates a more traditional conservative view of conservatism that ensures the nation is prepared to defend itself, non-interventionism, and peaceful trade and negotiations even with nations that may be viewed viewed as hostile. Paul maintains, correctly, that any military action must be accompanied by Congressional authorization. Paul also maintains that the 4th Amendment is vital and one of the cornerstones of our Republic. Conservatism is about protecting and maintaining our Constitution, and our traditional/founding principles of liberty. Paul’s opposition to mass government snooping and surveillance on private information does precisely that -- it conserves the integrity of our Constitution and founding principles. Lastly, Paul has fought to point out the injustice of our nation’s drug laws and how it has turned such a large portion of our population into criminals making society even less safe. Criminal justice reform and a grand re-examination of our ‘drug war’ ought to be principles conservatives are in the street demanding. Furthermore, it’s a state issue that ought to be decided by the various state legislatures as opposed to the Federal government mandating a uniform policy upon all.
    With all of that, I get messages from friends and family pointing to this or that and asking whether I agree with Paul and how I can still support him in lieu of that comment/statement. Sometimes I agree with Paul; sometimes I disagree with Paul. That takes us back to my 1st paragraph when I pointed out that I have never expected a candidate to be perfect. People criticize me for being too uncompromising and looking for the ‘perfect candidate’ while others expect me to abandon a candidate because I disagree with them on this issue or that issue. Which should it be? For my part, I will continue to support candidates that (on the whole) stand on the side of liberty. That isn’t to say that Paul will never do anything to lose my support -- he very well might! But no disagreement I have yet had with Paul rises to the level of abandoning the best chance the Republican Party has ever had to expand its base, the best chance to limit the size and scope of government, the best chance to expand individual liberty, and the best chance to move toward a more rational and pragmatic foreign policy.

    That’s why I continue to ‪#‎StandWithRand‬

  2. #2
    Sooner All-World olevetonahill's Avatar
    Location
    the Hills of S/E Ok
    Posts
    64,897
    vCash
    500

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    Will it be OK if I wait to see who all is going to run?
    http://www.soonerfans.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=38933&dateline=130040  9398

    Quote
    If God wanted Men to look women in the eyes, He wouldnt have gave em Boobs !

  3. #3
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member
    Location
    Phoenix
    Posts
    18,736
    vCash
    500

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    Quote Originally Posted by olevetonahill View Post
    Will it be OK if I wait to see who all is going to run?
    If you(anyone) vote in the R primary, just don't pick a squish like Jeb, Christie or Lindsay Graham(McCain said Graham will run)...But if a squish somehow gets the nomination, for godssakes hold your nose and vote for him/her over the monumental catastrophe on the d side.
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

  4. #4
    Sooner All-World olevetonahill's Avatar
    Location
    the Hills of S/E Ok
    Posts
    64,897
    vCash
    500

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    Quote Originally Posted by RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone! View Post
    If you(anyone) vote in the R primary, just don't pick a squish like Jeb, Christie or Lindsay Graham(McCain said Graham will run)...But if a squish somehow gets the nomination, for godssakes hold your nose and vote for him/her over the monumental catastrophe on the d side.
    Ima Reg Dem , Yet Ill vote for WHO i think is Best for THIS country! That be ok with Yall?
    http://www.soonerfans.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=38933&dateline=130040  9398

    Quote
    If God wanted Men to look women in the eyes, He wouldnt have gave em Boobs !

  5. #5
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member
    Location
    Phoenix
    Posts
    18,736
    vCash
    500

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    Unsolicited advice is commonly given on this forum.
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

  6. #6
    Sooner All-World olevetonahill's Avatar
    Location
    the Hills of S/E Ok
    Posts
    64,897
    vCash
    500

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    Quote Originally Posted by RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone! View Post
    Unsolicited advice is commonly given on this forum.
    http://www.soonerfans.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=38933&dateline=130040  9398

    Quote
    If God wanted Men to look women in the eyes, He wouldnt have gave em Boobs !

  7. #7
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member
    Location
    Phoenix
    Posts
    18,736
    vCash
    500

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    Quote Originally Posted by olevetonahill View Post
    Wait!...what? It' NOT EVEN FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHT!
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

  8. #8
    Sooner All-World olevetonahill's Avatar
    Location
    the Hills of S/E Ok
    Posts
    64,897
    vCash
    500

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    Quote Originally Posted by RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone! View Post
    Wait!...what? It' NOT EVEN FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHT!
    Did I ever need a specific day?
    I will say this as a reg, Dem Im looking at Rand strong right now way over the BC broad
    http://www.soonerfans.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=38933&dateline=130040  9398

    Quote
    If God wanted Men to look women in the eyes, He wouldnt have gave em Boobs !

  9. #9
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member
    Location
    Phoenix
    Posts
    18,736
    vCash
    500

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    God bless America!

    BC broad?
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

  10. #10
    Sooner All-World olevetonahill's Avatar
    Location
    the Hills of S/E Ok
    Posts
    64,897
    vCash
    500

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    Quote Originally Posted by RUSH LIMBAUGH is my clone! View Post
    God bless America!

    BC broad?
    BC Broad = Billary klinton
    http://www.soonerfans.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=38933&dateline=130040  9398

    Quote
    If God wanted Men to look women in the eyes, He wouldnt have gave em Boobs !

  11. #11
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member
    Location
    Edmond, OK
    Posts
    7,029
    vCash
    500

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    Still waiting for Rand to define his stance on the illegals.

    If it's pathway to citizenship or permanent legal status then I won't vote for him.

  12. #12
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member BetterSoonerThanLater's Avatar
    Location
    a dot on a map
    Posts
    5,623
    vCash
    800

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    ^This
    this is bull****

  13. #13
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member FaninAma's Avatar
    Location
    Not in Ama
    Posts
    10,236
    vCash
    500

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    Quote Originally Posted by SicEmBaylor View Post
    My thoughts and feelings on the last two Republican nominees is no secret. People have criticized my politics by saying, “SicEm, don’t you know that no candidate is perfect? You have to compromise.” Or they would tell me, “You have to vote for the lesser of two evils! Don’t you understand that one choice is always going to be better than the other choice?” I always rejected the sentiment behind all of those statements and questions. My position was and remains the same: I will not vote for a candidate who does not share my values and principles. I’m quite aware of the fact that no candidate is perfect; I’m aware that some allowances and some compromises must be made. My standards should not be viewed as unrealistic nor should the bar be considered too high to reach for a viable Republican candidate. What I expect is that, on the whole, a candidate demonstrate a commitment to truly limiting and reducing the size/scope of government while also protecting and expanding individual/civil liberties. That is why we’re all Republicans, correct? We didn’t just wake up one day, flip a coin, and choose our party based on whether the coin landed on heads/tails. We’re Republicans because the Republican Party is *supposed* to stand for something. It’s supposed to stand for limited-government and individual/constitutional rights. Let’s be clear: John McCain did not and does not believe in limiting government or expanding liberty. Mitt Romney did not believe in limiting government or expanding government. McCain is downright hostile to both while Romney, at best, sought to merely manage the rate of government growth.

    There are two viable Republican candidates who have shown a commitment to the aforementioned criteria I laid out in the previous paragraph (one more so than the other.) My choice, as everyone knows, is Rand Paul. Paul has often been criticized by committed libertarians as not being libertarian enough, but Paul has never claimed to be a strict libertarian. He has been criticized for not being conservative enough (more on that later). Paul more closely matches my politics than any other major Republican since, perhaps, Barry Goldwater. Nobody should mistake Paul as being anything other than a conservative -- Paul is decidedly conservative with a libertarian streak. He’s libertarian in precisely those areas that will appeal to a greater constituency than the traditional Republican base, and this is an area where Paul has a definite edge over Cruz. Paul has made real efforts over his Senate term to reach out to those constituencies that normally have little or no contact with the Republican Party, namely, the tech industry and black community.

    There have been criticisms of Paul from so-called conservatives who think he is too soft on foreign policy (he’s actually too hardline for my tastes), too weak on national security issues, and too permissive with drug policy. These criticisms belie the fact that those individuals fail to understand the nature of conservatism. Mainstream (neoconservative) foreign policy that is the dominant position of the Republican Party is the deformed and monstrous offspring of progressive foreign policy -- it is a bizarre and dangerous combination of Wilsonianism and Trotskyism. It is entirely alien to conservatism save the last 10+ years that saw the rise of its popularity to such an extent that it redefined the meaning of conservative foreign policy. Paul advocates a more traditional conservative view of conservatism that ensures the nation is prepared to defend itself, non-interventionism, and peaceful trade and negotiations even with nations that may be viewed viewed as hostile. Paul maintains, correctly, that any military action must be accompanied by Congressional authorization. Paul also maintains that the 4th Amendment is vital and one of the cornerstones of our Republic. Conservatism is about protecting and maintaining our Constitution, and our traditional/founding principles of liberty. Paul’s opposition to mass government snooping and surveillance on private information does precisely that -- it conserves the integrity of our Constitution and founding principles. Lastly, Paul has fought to point out the injustice of our nation’s drug laws and how it has turned such a large portion of our population into criminals making society even less safe. Criminal justice reform and a grand re-examination of our ‘drug war’ ought to be principles conservatives are in the street demanding. Furthermore, it’s a state issue that ought to be decided by the various state legislatures as opposed to the Federal government mandating a uniform policy upon all.
    With all of that, I get messages from friends and family pointing to this or that and asking whether I agree with Paul and how I can still support him in lieu of that comment/statement. Sometimes I agree with Paul; sometimes I disagree with Paul. That takes us back to my 1st paragraph when I pointed out that I have never expected a candidate to be perfect. People criticize me for being too uncompromising and looking for the ‘perfect candidate’ while others expect me to abandon a candidate because I disagree with them on this issue or that issue. Which should it be? For my part, I will continue to support candidates that (on the whole) stand on the side of liberty. That isn’t to say that Paul will never do anything to lose my support -- he very well might! But no disagreement I have yet had with Paul rises to the level of abandoning the best chance the Republican Party has ever had to expand its base, the best chance to limit the size and scope of government, the best chance to expand individual liberty, and the best chance to move toward a more rational and pragmatic foreign policy.

    That’s why I continue to ‪#‎StandWithRand‬
    Sent a contribution to his election committee yesterday. He is more of an anti-Wall Street leader than Elizabeth Warren will ever think(or dare) of being.
    Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.

  14. #14
    Vacuums eat while yelling

    badger's Avatar
    Location
    Doing my nails
    Posts
    41,561
    vCash
    0

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    If you want to be guaranteed to never have your candidate compromise, always agree with you and perfectly represent your thoughts, beliefs and interests... vote for yourself. Go all Dennis Kucinich and run for president

    Otherwise, acknowledge that no candidate is perfect. Lesser of two evils might be taking things too far, but one that will lead and represent the U.S well is good enough for me

    I have no idea who that will be whenever Oklahoma's super duper blooper tuesday primary will be... but I'm prepared for our candidate to get rejected by the rest of the country again

    Who knows? Maybe we'll be the straw that breaks the candidate's candidacy once again in 2016. John Edwards quit the day after he visit Tulsa and Joe Lieberman's coffee mornings in Oklahoma did nothing for his presidential bid... so both opted out thanks to the Sooner State.

    BOOMER!

  15. #15
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member
    Location
    Phoenix
    Posts
    18,736
    vCash
    500

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    Ted Cruz recently raised $31 million.(despite the harrassment by the Leftists and RINOS)
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

  16. #16
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member
    Posts
    5,168
    vCash
    50000

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    Don't think Edwards' visit to OK had as much to do with his quitting
    as Rielle Hunter did. Lieberman needed more "cream" for his coffee
    than OK had in stock. The Pub lineup is far from complete and, in
    some cases, the clowns are already in IA....Trump spent all day yesterday
    warning the press to not damage his airplane and talking to Simpson
    college kids about his global dealmaking...rilly, he did and Santorum
    just expended hot air. Paul is supposed to be here Friday and Cruz
    will be back soon. Funny, three, count 'em three first term Pub senators
    have either declared or getting ready to do it and I haven't heard a
    peep from anyone, either side, about not enough experience..wonder
    why that is?

  17. #17
    Sooner All-Big XII-2-1+1-1+1
    Location
    Muskogee
    Posts
    1,524
    vCash
    500

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    Trump, Cruz, Palin....Are they designed to make the Rand's of the world more palatable to the moderates of the world?

  18. #18
    Sooner All-Big XII-2-1+1-1+1 hawaii 5-0's Avatar
    Location
    In a Little Grass Shack
    Posts
    4,281
    vCash
    0

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    I'll give Rand a look.

    I prefer Moderates over extremists.


    5-0
    BOY HOWDY !!!!

  19. #19
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member
    Posts
    12,528
    vCash
    500

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    Trump, Cruz, Palin....Are they designed to make the Rand's of the world more palatable to the moderates of the world?
    It's working. But I have to give Cruz props for standing up in front of a group of corn farmers and telling them their government subsidy for corn ethanol would go away if he were elected. I don't like much of anything else he has said, but credit where credit due.

  20. #20
    SoonerFans.com Elite Member
    Location
    Phoenix
    Posts
    18,736
    vCash
    500

    Re: Stand With Rand!

    Trump is a VERY dark horse. More like an infinitessimally small chance. Lindsay Graham as well.
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •