Cruz question

[hawaii 5-0]

The gall is that Cruz came right back and tried to blame it on the Dems.

He's shoulda waited a coupla months before trying to re-write history.


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[FaninAma]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ch_126118.html

[FaninAma]

http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/17...t-the-economy/

$24 billion.

That’s according to an estimate from Standard & Poor’s. The financial services company said the shutdown, which ended with a deal late Wednesday night after 16 days, took $24 billion out of the U.S. economy, and reduced projected fourth-quarter GDP growth from 3 percent to 2.4 percent.

Here’s a breakdown of some of the economic cost by our calculations:

About $3.1 billion in lost government services, according to the research firm IHS
$152 million per day in lost travel spending, according to the U.S. Travel Association
$76 million per day lost because of National Parks being shut down, according to the National Park Service
$217 million per day in lost federal and contractor wages in the Washington D.C. metropolitan area alone

Which is it....A$24 billion or $ 49 billion or perhaps only $2 billion as the Washington Post suggests?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...484_story.html

The fact is you or nobody else really knows. You're just throwing out arbitrary figures to support your opinion. Spending money is not the same as producing something of value. Holy cow but the perception of what constitutes a measurement of value is so twisted on the left. No wonder idiot Keyensians like Krugman hold so much sway over you.

[Turd_Ferguson]

and let's not forget all the DC monuments that were fenced off to the public even though they weren't "manned" anyway...I'd like to see what they showed that price tag to be.

[hawaii 5-0]

Where'd you get the idea that a National Park Service official isn't assigned to the monuments ?


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[Turd_Ferguson]

Where'd you get the idea that a National Park Service official isn't assigned to the monuments ?


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Where'd you get the idea that thousands of peeps that walk through the monuments on a daily basis without guidance needed from an official setting behind a desk reading a book not paying attention to anybody, would justify fencing off all the monuments? Are you really going to tell us that you don't think the Obama admin did that for "shock and awe"?

[hawaii 5-0]

Where'd you get the idea that thousands of peeps that walk through the monuments on a daily basis without guidance needed from an official setting behind a desk reading a book not paying attention to anybody, would justify fencing off all the monuments? Are you really going to tell us that you don't think the Obama admin did that for "shock and awe"?

They probably did. It had a very good affect. Lots of folks were pizzed at Cruz's shenanigans including key Congressional Republicans.

So where did you get the idea that National Monuments aren't 'manned' ? Made that up didja ?


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[East Coast Bias]

Whatever it cost or did not cost, shutting the government down was a flawed strategy. Congress is so messed up right now with extremes on both sides the grid lock is hurting everyone. All they have been able to do over the past few years is name a few buildings.Maybe the Pubs can turn that around now that they are in control? Cruz is a divisive politician as well as a caricature.

[rock on sooner]

Whatever it cost or did not cost, shutting the government down was a flawed strategy. Congress is so messed up right now with extremes on both sides the grid lock is hurting everyone. All they have been able to do over the past few years is name a few buildings.Maybe the Pubs can turn that around now that they are in control? Cruz is a divisive politician as well as a caricature.

Looks like all the Pubs want to do is keep after the ACA...still..STILL..
haven't seen a viable alternative to it. If the Pubs got a better plan,
where in the world is it??..if they succeed, sure gonna **** off around
17m policy holders (and counting). With their efforts toward immigration,
minorities, education, Medicare and Medicaid, will a thinking electorate
let this all go forward? Don't know, don't have an answer, really and truly
want to hear about any workable solution. Every time I ask a Pub in person,
I get a blank expression in reply.

If folks exalt Cruz, Rubio, Graham, Trump (?!), Huckabee, Santorum, Jindal,
Fiorina, et al, please ask each of them to give you a better plan and then
report back. I will state, right here, right now, if any of them has a better
plan than can stand scrutiny, I will change parties and vote in the general
election for that Pub...so help me God!

[hawaii 5-0]

I'm all for a better health care plan. Please share the Republican plan.

(sound of crickets...)


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[BoulderSooner79]

I'm all for a better health care plan. Please share the Republican plan.

(sound of crickets...)


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Actually, I wouldn't be surprised they come up with one. But it will probably come in the form of modification to the current one. They are quickly finding that many of their own constituents don't want it repealed, but no one would complain about improvements. Now that the republicans have both houses, the ball is in their court and pointing fingers of blame won't hold much water in the next election. The only ones that will call for repealing the current law are GOP presidential hopefuls trying to get camera time. Current members of congress would be foolish to take this tact.

[Eielson]

I'm all for a better health care plan. Please share the Republican plan.

(sound of crickets...)


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The old one.

[yermom]

The old one.

the one that obviously didn't work and costs the government tons of money at an unsustainable rate?

how is that much different than what we have?

[Serenity Now]

The old one.

what about romneycare?

[SicEmBaylor]

what about romneycare?

Apples vs. oranges. RomneyCare was a state-based policy. There is no constitutional provision allowing the Federal government to provide or manage healthcare. ObamaCare is absolutely unconstitutional, and Roberts is a limp-wristed coward who is scared to death of his court appearing to be too partisan in the court of public opinion. ObamaCare is constitutional only by considering it a tax which the Administration always argued it was not.

RomneyCare is a state-based policy. A policy that need only comply with the state constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Individual states are free to craft whatever policy they choose up to and including a single-payer system. Whether it's good policy or not is another question, but supporting RomneyCare does not necessarily mean one would or should support ObamaCare for that obvious reason.

Healthcare hasn't enjoyed a truly free market since prior to the Great Society. The introduction of Medicare and Medicaid has directly led to the skyrocketing cost of healthcare in this country. Prior, healthcare and health insurance were affordable for the overwhelming majority of Americans and private entities picked up the slack when people couldn't afford it. Going to your local doctor and paying the bill was not a huge concern for most Americans, and health insurance was considerably cheaper.

A combination of government-managed healthcare, skyrocketing litigation costs for malpractice suits, and government regulation of the insurance market is what has priced so many people out of the healthcare market requiring even more government programs and more government regulation. There is no end to it until the ultimate goal is achieved -- a single payer system and complete nationalization of the healthcare industry.

For what it's worth, ObamaCare is a classically fascistic (economically speaking) model that combines the worst aspects of government with the worst aspects of private insurance. We would have been better off with implementing a single-payer system and being done with it.

[East Coast Bias]

Here's the winner ! They liked things the way they were.Coverage for those that can afford it, emergency care for the rest. A big win for Pharma and the insurance companies...

[SicEmBaylor]

Here's the winner ! They liked things the way they were.Coverage for those that can afford it, emergency care for the rest. A big win for Pharma and the insurance companies...

ObamaCare has been a huge boon for the larger insurance companies. It's a government/corporate conglomerate that needs to be killed.

[East Coast Bias]

ObamaCare has been a huge boon for the larger insurance companies. It's a government/corporate conglomerate that needs to be killed.

Okay, so you are in the camp that wants to kill Obamacare. Should we just go back to the old system? Like the others I am waiting for other options.Our old system ranked like 15 in the world. If we want to make healthcare a priority we need some new ideas. It seems like the Pubs were content with what we had before which was good for those with good job benefits that didn't mind being had by the health system.

I have always had good health insurance and have been fortunate in that respect. Should we as a society just write off the low-end of the scale and just pay for their trips to the ER in the form of higher premiums?

[Serenity Now]

The days you're referring to SicEm was when docs made a tad more money that the local school superintendent. They make 5-10 times that now. Much like how supply side economics has only worked to allow the upper level to buy larger vacation homes and larger yachts, the upper crust in health care have done the same thing over the last 50 years. I second your motion to go to a single payer system.

I think we'd have a much better opinion of the ACA if all of the states were cooperating with the Medicaid expansion.

Tyranny!!!!

[FaninAma]

I'm all for a better health care plan. Please share the Republican plan.

(sound of crickets...)


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Yes, Mr. Roosevelt(the federal govvernment) will save all of us helpless peeps. Here's a 411 for you....health care spending started escalating out of control when the federal government got involved in it. It will stop escalating only when the federal government takes it completely over and starts rationing.