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    Brilliant Idea from Eric Striker

    I ran across a summary of an interview by Jason Kersey, and was reading through it. One of the quotes really struck me as a brilliant idea. I mean... outstanding brilliant. As in, why has no one thought of this before. A multi-cultural elective would be fantastic. Send the future leaders from OU out into the world with a more global understanding of personal interaction. An no, the Core IV Non-Western Culture requirement wouldn't count. Taking world music won't instill a 21st-century mindset into an impressionable freshman or sophomore.

    English is required. U.S. history is required. Government is required. Well why don't we make a multicultural class required? A lot of these kids coming in here don't know anything about other races. That's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CincySooner View Post
    I ran across a summary of an interview by Jason Kersey, and was reading through it. One of the quotes really struck me as a brilliant idea. I mean... outstanding brilliant. As in, why has no one thought of this before. A multi-cultural elective would be fantastic. Send the future leaders from OU out into the world with a more global understanding of personal interaction. An no, the Core IV Non-Western Culture requirement wouldn't count. Taking world music won't instill a 21st-century mindset into an impressionable freshman or sophomore.



    http://newsok.com/eric-striker-uncut...rticle/5402016
    I'd be all for it if it didn't turn into a course about bashing certain cultures while promoting the victimhood of others. Would they promise only to promote the positive aspects of each culture?
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    It's quite possible to teach about cultures, including our own, warts and all without bashing. How could you possibly understand the US today (without a doubt the ultimate example to date of how to organize and run a huge, multicultural society) without understanding slavery, the fraught history of race relations and the genocide of American Indians for example? Likewise, I can get all groovy on Japan, where I lived for over twenty years, and still acknowledge the Rape of Nanking, the hideous colonization of Korea and the use of Native Taiwanese for target practice.
    I'm unaware of any country or culture that is pure or without 'sin'.
    I'd be all for a body of courses such as Striker suggests. If for no other reason than to help Americans appreciate what an interesting journey our country has taken and how the influence of African, and American Indian cultures, among others, make our culture today quite distinct from any other on earth.

    But now we wander into the realm of the liberal arts and we all know that such study is worthless and a waste of time because, well, there are no 'liberal arts' stores where you can get a job after graduation.

    I'm very proud that Eric Striker seems to have availed himself of the opportunity to awaken his mind and get a real education while at OU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    I'd be all for it if it didn't turn into a course about bashing certain cultures while promoting the victimhood of others. Would they promise only to promote the positive aspects of each culture?
    I expect the answer to that question is No.

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    I took a course in different religions at Oklahoma City University, and it was very good. It basically showed that all religions were supposed to be based on peace and quieting of the human soul. Man is like any other animal: aggressive, jealous, protective of territory, etc. All religions try to make man into nicer humans by showing compassion towards others, but all I see is that religion is being used for war!!

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    Re: Brilliant Idea from Eric Striker

    Quote Originally Posted by CincySooner View Post
    I ran across a summary of an interview by Jason Kersey, and was reading through it. One of the quotes really struck me as a brilliant idea. I mean... outstanding brilliant. As in, why has no one thought of this before. A multi-cultural elective would be fantastic. Send the future leaders from OU out into the world with a more global understanding of personal interaction. An no, the Core IV Non-Western Culture requirement wouldn't count. Taking world music won't instill a 21st-century mindset into an impressionable freshman or sophomore.



    http://newsok.com/eric-striker-uncut...rticle/5402016
    Stupid. Require finance and accounting, not another bullsh*t humanities/history/government course. Does Striker want to compete in the world or sit around waiting for someone to acknowledge that he's black and other people aren't black, and that history is full of people who are black and people who aren't black.

    So, stupid. The curriculum for most majors is already watered down beyond belief. Stop watering it down.

    If fact, I'd say, cut out history/government/humanities altogether and make college a two to three year proposition. Cut out the bullsh*t and cut right to the chase of the majors. Teach only the subjects necessary to help kids get jobs.

    All of this stupid overreacting because some kids said "n*gger." Does Striker think his fellow students should all takes a Women's Studies class because Joe Mixon broke a girl's face? Or a Gay Rights class because he said faggot?

    Hypocritical and stupid beyond reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pride1Mom View Post
    I took a course in different religions at Oklahoma City University, and it was very good. It basically showed that all religions were supposed to be based on peace and quieting of the human soul. Man is like any other animal: aggressive, jealous, protective of territory, etc. All religions try to make man into nicer humans by showing compassion towards others, but all I see is that religion is being used for war!!
    Really? Do you see Baptists in Texas forming armed militias and storming the Louisiana border towns, like Shreveport, and rounding up Catholics there to burn, rape, and decapitate unless they renounce their Catholicism and become Baptists?

    Are Methodists hijacking planes and running them into buildings in major metropolitan cities and demanding that everyone become Methodist or die?

    Are Presbyterians strapping bombs onto kids and women and sending them into Episcopalian churches during worship services?

    Get real.
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    Re: Brilliant Idea from Eric Striker

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    Stupid. Require finance and accounting, not another bullsh*t humanities/history/government course. Does Striker want to compete in the world or sit around waiting for someone to acknowledge that he's black and other people aren't black, and that history is full of people who are black and people who aren't black.

    So, stupid. The curriculum for most majors is already watered down beyond belief. Stop watering it down.

    If fact, I'd say, cut out history/government/humanities altogether and make college a two to three year proposition. Cut out the bullsh*t and cut right to the chase of the majors. Teach only the subjects necessary to help kids get jobs.

    All of this stupid overreacting because some kids said "n*gger." Does Striker think his fellow students should all takes a Women's Studies class because Joe Mixon broke a girl's face? Or a Gay Rights class because he said faggot?

    Hypocritical and stupid beyond reason.
    Very well said...schools aren't even teaching American History without obvious bias and massive amounts of politics. We have taught that ALL cultures are equal when in fact they aren't. This would turn into a conservative, white, and American hate class creating more animosity. Schools are now teaching 'white privilege' classes which is in fact racist as hell, and small minded and this would follow suit. I have an idea for Eric and the rest of the idealsic students and the professors that are sucking off the tax payers and federal loan program: Teach the US constitution, start with that

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    Striker's idea is good, but naive. With the assault on America being taught already in our schools, it would be likely an Overview of Multicultures class would be more of the same.
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    Re: Brilliant Idea from Eric Striker

    Quote Originally Posted by Tear Down This Wall View Post
    Stupid. Require finance and accounting, not another bullsh*t humanities/history/government course. Does Striker want to compete in the world or sit around waiting for someone to acknowledge that he's black and other people aren't black, and that history is full of people who are black and people who aren't black.

    So, stupid. The curriculum for most majors is already watered down beyond belief. Stop watering it down.

    If fact, I'd say, cut out history/government/humanities altogether and make college a two to three year proposition. Cut out the bullsh*t and cut right to the chase of the majors. Teach only the subjects necessary to help kids get jobs.

    All of this stupid overreacting because some kids said "n*gger." Does Striker think his fellow students should all takes a Women's Studies class because Joe Mixon broke a girl's face? Or a Gay Rights class because he said faggot?

    Hypocritical and stupid beyond reason.
    Striker is already down with gay rights...he had some HS classmate that made him "see the light" about gays...

    but yes...I totally agree with you, Tony and Rush said...
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    Guys, THANK YOU.
    I don't think I could have made a better case for the necessity of liberal arts studies in a healthy society.

    I am, however, puzzled by a recurrent theme in your posts. You seem to be extremely fearful that any examination of different cultures that includes American culture will devolve into a session of criticizing our country and most particularly WASP males. And that somehow these critques will be so compelling and powerful that no counter argument will be possible and our students will be so mentally vacant that they will instantly be won over to the We Hate America Club.
    Stop being so damn brittle. Our nation and society are chock full of problems. Some of them of our own making. In totality, however, we've got a better thing going here than anywhere else...and this is a full size country, not some mini-state made up of people who all look alike. To be a fully active citizen, however, an individual needs to know what the game's about. You need to understand history, and government and something of the humanities. Otherwise, on the basis of exactly what will you judge policies or candidates upon whom you are called to vote? How will you even know how to defend our nation and culture?
    A university is not a trade school; although many universities have allowed themselves to get herded in that direction. If you wish an uncluttered mind, you are entitled to craft your own educational path. Just don't call yourself a university graduate. It is not too much, however, for a university to demand a certain grounding in a broad array of disciplines. And in addition to math, at least one hard science and an applied science, I would include some number of hours in history/government/humanities.
    There is only one thing that is sadder than an unemployed college grad and that's a mid-career engineer or CPA or other 'specialist' with a stalled career, lacking the tools to even understand why he's topped out.
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    It would be a great class for posters to SF.com

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    Sorry about Ya Striker, but the most people who take the easy *** music classes - upper and lower division humanities are the BLACK athletes. I've seen more in those classes than in my Native American studies classes, Native American language classes, human sexuality classes, and world religion class.

    Also taking a non-western humanity class for upper and lower division, as well as additional humanities classes, is a requirement for most if not all majors. Tell your buddies to quit taking the easy "world music" type classes before you tell everyone else to.

    Oh and the thing about frats not wanting you there? They don't want ANY guy who isn't in their frat at their parties. Unless, occasionally, they know a lot of people in the frat and are on a guest list. That's how it has always been my (your) time here. Has nothing to do with your skin color (to most people in most frats).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tear Down This Wall View Post
    Stupid. Require finance and accounting, not another bullsh*t humanities/history/government course. Does Striker want to compete in the world or sit around waiting for someone to acknowledge that he's black and other people aren't black, and that history is full of people who are black and people who aren't black.

    So, stupid. The curriculum for most majors is already watered down beyond belief. Stop watering it down.

    If fact, I'd say, cut out history/government/humanities altogether and make college a two to three year proposition. Cut out the bullsh*t and cut right to the chase of the majors. Teach only the subjects necessary to help kids get jobs.

    All of this stupid overreacting because some kids said "n*gger." Does Striker think his fellow students should all takes a Women's Studies class because Joe Mixon broke a girl's face? Or a Gay Rights class because he said faggot?

    Hypocritical and stupid beyond reason.
    I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually agree with TDTW. Seriously...almost word for word...as in, I was about to post, and now I might not because he said everything I wanted to say.

    One thing I will add, though, is that there are already an obnoxious amount of gen-eds and humanities courses, and in those, there are already plenty of options to take "multi-cultural" type classes. The way things are set up, you'd almost have to go out of your way to completely avoid taking some kind of class about Native Americans and/or Africans/African-Americans. I think I tallied almost a semester's worth. There are really good odds that most of those SAE's on the bus took some kind of "African-American Studies" class. How'd that work out?

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    I'm totally on board with Tony, TDTW, Eilson, and others who espouse that the trend in colleges and universities is way off base. It should go without saying that liberals have usurped the educational system in America, and Stryker just another proof of it.
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    Well why don't we make a multicultural class required?
    Graduation requirements have already pushed most students into attend-five-years territory. Yet another class for students buried in loan debt required? Plus the class fees, required texts and fitting into your other required coursework schedule?

    I like the idea, but I don't think it will work for the reasons listed above. The higher ed bubble is going to burst soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tear Down This Wall View Post
    So, stupid. The curriculum for most majors is already watered down beyond belief. Stop watering it down.

    If fact, I'd say, cut out history/government/humanities altogether and make college a two to three year proposition. Cut out the bullsh*t and cut right to the chase of the majors. Teach only the subjects necessary to help kids get jobs.
    Then how would they milk money out of the students?

    When I was a freshman, OU added a foreign language requirement to all degrees. I was rather annoyed about it and went off on Colonel Sanders (my ChemE advisor). His response was that there was a very loud minority at the school that felt that students owed OU a percentage of all future wages above and beyond what you could get with a high school diploma. In other words, education should be like syndication residuals that they got paid on for the rest of lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KantoSooner View Post
    Guys, THANK YOU.
    I don't think I could have made a better case for the necessity of liberal arts studies in a healthy society.

    I am, however, puzzled by a recurrent theme in your posts. You seem to be extremely fearful that any examination of different cultures that includes American culture will devolve into a session of criticizing our country and most particularly WASP males. And that somehow these critques will be so compelling and powerful that no counter argument will be possible and our students will be so mentally vacant that they will instantly be won over to the We Hate America Club.
    Stop being so damn brittle. Our nation and society are chock full of problems. Some of them of our own making. In totality, however, we've got a better thing going here than anywhere else...and this is a full size country, not some mini-state made up of people who all look alike. To be a fully active citizen, however, an individual needs to know what the game's about. You need to understand history, and government and something of the humanities. Otherwise, on the basis of exactly what will you judge policies or candidates upon whom you are called to vote? How will you even know how to defend our nation and culture?
    A university is not a trade school; although many universities have allowed themselves to get herded in that direction. If you wish an uncluttered mind, you are entitled to craft your own educational path. Just don't call yourself a university graduate. It is not too much, however, for a university to demand a certain grounding in a broad array of disciplines. And in addition to math, at least one hard science and an applied science, I would include some number of hours in history/government/humanities.
    There is only one thing that is sadder than an unemployed college grad and that's a mid-career engineer or CPA or other 'specialist' with a stalled career, lacking the tools to even understand why he's topped out.
    "...fearful...."

    No. Wanting the youth to be educated in subjects that will do them, and the country, the most economic good in life is not "fearful." It's smart.

    We already have whole generations now of kids with "grounding in a broad array of disciplines" serving me hamburgers and tacos at fast food joints, or sitting in call centers trying to sell the latest garbage pyramid scheme because they aren't smart enough to figure out that their bosses are frauds.

    Striker, if he can't play in the NFL, sounds like he'll be one of them.
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    Oklahoma has a very interesting higher ed complex of institutions, ranging from Tech Centers, through Community Colleges, regional 2 and 4 years schools and finally OU and OSU and their grad programs. it's an admirable answer for providing 'beyond high school' education and training to the citizens of the state and a trained workforce to employers in the state.

    That said, we do no one a service by attempting to cram all educational functions into a single or into all the disparate institutions. And part, at least of the heat and light above reflects that.

    A university education should, by definition, produce people who are broadly educated. Even if they go on to be brain surgeons, theoretical physicists, Broadway vocalists or historians of the Cult of Amun. That's what university does. In addition to your 'major' you learn other stuff. Hopefully to enrich your practice of your major; at the very least to give you some context.

    If you don't want that. If you have no 'need' for that: Don't go to a university.

    And I think what's happened is that, in pursuit of the prestige (?) of the university degree, a number of students have gotten into university programs who would be much better suited to other types of institutions. And perhaps those programs should be spun off from the universities. Perhaps that's what happens when the higher ed bubble bursts.

    There are many courses of study that were never traditionally included at universities. Accounting. Architecture. Nursing. Drama. Dance. Performance music. Perhaps it's time for some or all of these to be spun off into their own specialized institutes. I note that the CPA board requires a BA/BS with a minimum of 150 hours of study with 75 or so in accounting itself. So, eliminating the 'fluff', you ought to be able to complete the 'core' course in 4 semesters or so. With summer school, call it 15 months, start to finish. If you spun off the Accounting school, there'd be no reason you couldn't redo the schedule so that a person could, if they were disciplined, march straight through. And you could make course work at such institutes incentivized by state scholarships due to the tangible nature of the body of knowledge gained. it's at least one logical approach we could take.

    While it's nice to try and insist on an all inclusive 'academy', it may be that attempting to force broad and diffuse education on people who don't want it and will not actively engage in it is merely annoying to them, productive of no educational benefit to either them or the society as a whole and destructive to the mission of the university itself.
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