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Originally Posted by Harry Beanbag
LOL at you. We are not the lemming dancing the koch tune, abandoning your core values for a pipeline. Lemming
I see loser piece of ****, low iq tyler durden has pulled his head out of his ignorant ***. Get something new ignorant loser.
The concept of eminent domain IS NOT in any way in and of itself unconstitutional. Thus provisions in the Fifth Amendment. It is however ripe for abuse. It should be done sparingly only for a large common good.
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation".
Ok theres at least a 100,000 miles of current Pipeline in the USA.
Most built with Eminent Domain.
The People whos land this pipeline crossed DIDNT lose the land, just the temporary use of it. They were compensated just as well as the landowners who didnt fight.
So in this case NO ONE LOST anything.
While I detest Gov. I see the NEED for ED. lets say 100 years ago some one for some far fetched reason bought a 1/4 mile strip of land that went from the Canadian border to Mexico right in the middle of the country, Should the Owner of that have been able to STOP I-40? all the other interstates?
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Logic is a good thing 8th. Thank goodness that dems and Obama continue to be a shining example for all to follow.
Vetoing Keystone stopped that dreaded Canadian oil from coming to the US.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101153096#.Canadian oil rides south even without Keystone pipeline
Patti Domm | @pattidomm
Monday, 4 Nov 2013 | 8:33 AM ET
CNBC.com
The equivalent of hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil a day will soon be moving from western Canada into the U.S.—even if the controversial Keystone XL Pipeline is never built.
The energy industry is moving full steam ahead to move crude on rail cars—a fast growing business, booming along with increased North American oil production and already responsible for moving most of the oil out of the Bakken region in North Dakota.
Those dam Koch brothers, always trying to rob the public.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...on-of-pipelineBuffett’s Burlington Northern Among Pipeline Winners
by Jim Efstathiou Jr
4:51 PM CST
January 25, 2012
Jan. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Warren Buffett’s Burlington Northern Santa Fe LLC is among U.S. and Canadian railroads that stand to benefit from the Obama administration’s decision to reject TransCanada Corp.’s Keystone XL oil pipeline permit.
With modest expansion, railroads can handle all new oil produced in western Canada through 2030, according to an analysis of the Keystone proposal by the U.S. State Department.
Of course everyone knows that shipping oil by rail is safer and cheaper than going by a pipeline...right 8th?
And the process, as Obama stated, is very important before approving a pipeline that the state department said would have little impact on the environment. From his stirring speech at Cushing OK in 3/22/2012.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/econom...uction-in-2012But the fact is that my administration has approved dozens of new oil and gas pipelines over the last three years -– including one from Canada. And as long as I'm President, we're going to keep on encouraging oil development and infrastructure and people. We don't have to choose between one or the other, we can do both.”
He approved that other Canadian pipeline in less than 3 years but, well, there just wasn't enough time for the "process" on Keystone.
I'm glad you support logic 8th. You are a man of integrity.
Boy you and fan keep changing the lead in here. Go look up LOGIC. You tell me oil is already being brought in on trains - so we don't even need the pipeline. Thank you for making the point for the President. Obama has approved pipelines already? So there is no wer on earl? Thanks for clearing all that up. Good job.
----Most of the Koch lines were built as private systems----they did not use eminent domain---- Try and stick to something you understand
As you know 8th, I hold your opinion in high esteem along with your unwavering integrity.
So you logic is:
Canadian tar oil will continue to be produced and shipped to the US regardless of Keystone.
To transport that oil by a more costly and less safe means to US refineries is the "logical" thing to do.
Much better to line the pockets of a dem supporter like Warren Buffet rather than the those libertarian crazed Koch brothers and other US companies.
Obama can approve a Canadian pipeline in less than 3 years but needs more time to review Keystone
This is outstanding logic 8th. You've redefined the word. A business model that should be embraced by all industries. You continue to impress. And, as always, you are a man of integrity.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA me laughing at you. Can you read? Myself and 5-0 were comparing your backing of the taker rancher and property rights and a private company putting a pipeline on land the OWNERS don't want it put on, which of course you fully support. Nothing about the oil or anything else. I see you somehow got buffet in argument.
You just keep making my point for me. It was private and people AGREED to have a pipeline on their land. We are talking about people who do NOT want THEIR land.
And as usual, the lemming deflects and spins. Why don't you give your take on the article in post #1?
OleVet Posse Instigator
No problem with using eminent domain for a project that's in the public's interest. Airport, roadway, mass transit.
It's when a foreign, private company uses it to make money that makes it completely different.
5-0
BOY HOWDY !!!!
Who else besides a foreign private company stands to benefit from this pipeline?
OleVet Posse Instigator
---You mean like Warren Buffett building new rail lines?
OG&E had a high tension power line on my property in Ada. One day a snake crawled up in one of the transformers and immolated itself but while doing so it started a fire that took out one of the wooden support posts. OG7E brought in some heavy machinery to replace the support and doing so they left some vehicle tracks through the pasture. I called and complained and promptley receive a check for $2000...more than enough to repair the slight damage.
I think that non-government entities do a pretty good job of fairly compensating a property owner for their property. The real danger is a government regulatory agency like the EPA that likes to come in and tell you what you can or cannot do with your property WITHOUT compensating you for the loss of value or production caused by their decision.
Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.
Mostly the private investors in a private company. The Kochs own a nice share. Boehner is invested as well. Conflict or interest ? You betcha.
Are you referring to the temporary jobs from installing it or the 50 jobs from monitoring and maintaining it or the thousands of jobs cleaning up the mess when the pipe breaks ?
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BOY HOWDY !!!!
What's the value of a major spill of very dirty oil that makes it way into the aquifer ?
We're still waiting on BP to clean up their mess in the Gulf. Oh, but offshore drilling is perfectly safe.
The real danger is when some private foreign company wants to take your land by using our own laws.
5-0
BOY HOWDY !!!!
Today there are thousands of miles of pipelines that cross the aquifer and have been for 50 or more years
50 Jobs? yer nuts. last i read was well over 300 Permanant jobs, Now tell me about this clean up?How many jobs have been created to clean up the disasters from the train wrecks and have they brought those who died in those wrecks back to life?
You cite the BP blow out , Please explain what that has to do with a Pipe line?
Show me again how these poor mistreated people are LOSING their Land to the Rich man?
Good God man they have to give up a RIGHT of way not Ownership, Once the Pipe is laid the people go on using the land as always
The Trans Alaska pipeline has been built for a Lot of years and NO major leaks or environmental issues.
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