You are one ignorant little prick - I'm betting it is as small as your mind. Don't want to talk about the facts of dubya's failed job creation? Or should i say loss? Tell me who is kicking whose *** in creating jobs?Originally Posted by REDREX
You are one ignorant little prick - I'm betting it is as small as your mind. Don't want to talk about the facts of dubya's failed job creation? Or should i say loss? Tell me who is kicking whose *** in creating jobs?
As I sit here watching UK kick Auburn's backside in roundball and
reading this thread....hmmmm, 8th is a nuckin' futz dweeb in how
he makes his arguments but the facts are there, he's pretty much
right and all the belittling that you do can't change anything. W
RILLY screwed a bunch of stuff up and the current prez, right, wrong
or indifferent, on his watch, has fixed a BUNCH of what was not
right and it appears, stock market, job market and domestic market
in general is on the way to recovery. You guys on the right can knash
your teeth, belittle all you want and it won't change a thing. This "non-
citizen, America disliking, Muslim loving" (these are your phrases) is
on a track that appears to fix many things that need to be fixed. Now,
we can all hold hands and wait for Graham and McCain to beat the boots
on the ground war drums in the Senate and $#^$ *&^% even more...
Sure happy that this is an OPINION board!
Holy hell Ya done went to the Dark side.As I sit here watching UK kick Auburn's backside in roundball and
reading this thread....hmmmm, 8th is a nuckin' futz dweeb in how
he makes his arguments but the facts are there, he's pretty much
right and all the belittling that you do can't change anything. W
RILLY screwed a bunch of stuff up and the current prez, right, wrong
or indifferent, on his watch, has fixed a BUNCH of what was not
right and it appears, stock market, job market and domestic market
in general is on the way to recovery. You guys on the right can knash
your teeth, belittle all you want and it won't change a thing. This "non-
citizen, America disliking, Muslim loving" (these are your phrases) is
on a track that appears to fix many things that need to be fixed. Now,
we can all hold hands and wait for Graham and McCain to beat the boots
on the ground war drums in the Senate and $#^$ *&^% even more...
Sure happy that this is an OPINION board!
If any one really Believes that "Their" man did every thing right and is the Reason things are going Great they are delusional at best.
I poke fun at 8th cause hes a ****ing idiot, Not because I think W was a better Pres. Bout the only Pres we have had in recent memory is Reagan and he wernt no Saint.
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If God wanted Men to look women in the eyes, He wouldnt have gave em Boobs !
Naw, Vet, I aint gone to tha dark side, just tha one that looks at all
tha stuff that is being reported all over tha place. He!!, I know it aint
all right but most of it is...while I aint buyin' all of it, a dayum bunch
of it is right and ya caint say it aint! I'd just as soon not argue one way
er tha tother, but I jus caint not say some of this stuff is right.....imo...
Better to not get caught up in the extremist posers. Moderation is the way to go.
Still good for entertainment value tho. Both sides.
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BOY HOWDY !!!!
On track to fix many of the things that need fixin?
I guess you are right rock on if you don't consider the plight of the middle class,(wages have decreased) the influence we've lost world wide, the territory now occupied by our adversaries, the enormous debt that has accumulated by BHO (will be 10 Trillion before he leaves office) the covers up with Fast and Furious, IRS war on conservatives, the VA problems, the Benghazi cover-up (a video made them attack that embassy, couldn't be my foreign policy) the class warfare he's engaged in, the race situation he has made worse, outright lies and misinformation on Obamacare, and the fact that for the first time in our history, we have 50 million on food stamps and now have as many people on some type of government assistance as we do off of government assistance. Does it seem a little odd that our President can blame Christians for some dastardly deeds committed almost 1,000 years ago, but he can't blame Muslims for some atrocity that happened yesterday? First president that proclaimed the we are NOT a Christian Nation, despite that some 80% of us proclaim we are Christians. Do you think that he would he would ever say that Iran is not a Muslim nation?
Hasn't touched social security which if left alone will be forced to reduce payments in the next 15-18 years, or addressed the billions in waste and fraud in EVERY federal program, that he has previously acknowledged, but has done nothing about. He has exceeded his authority in many instances, the executive action on immigration is the latest. Leadership to him is not meeting with the other side to find common ground like his predecessors have done. It's blame them for everything and go it alone. The US Supreme Court has called him out before, and there is a good chance that will again on the immigration issue. The only government budget that he has cut has been the defense department. A dubious decision based on what we see today with Russia, Iran and the rise of all Islamic terrorists groups.
I could go on, but you get the point. We should have all taken notice when he exclaimed that he was going to fundamentally transform this Nation. Few paid attention.
Speaks volumes about this Country that someone with his background and lack of any real accomplishments could be elected to the highest office in the first place, and then re-elected, is incomprehensible.
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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, it's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-----Winston Churchill
well said 77, well said.
How do you know if you get there, if you don't know where you are going?..oh and I had 1,713 post on the "other board"..I hate being a rookie again!
Makes ya wanna think he wasn't even born in this country, yeah ?
Saw a show (The Today Show) this morning and it showed clips of Dubya and Cheney saying that this wasn't a war on Islamic Terrorism per se, but on terrorism being wrapped around pseudo Islamic beliefs. Obama's not the only one.
The terrorists would like nothing more than to try to make this war a Holy War, using Islam as a wedge between Muslims and non-Muslims. When they attack other Muslims, as they've done many times it shows they're not fighting a Holy War, but are just terrorists plain and simple. To call them Islamic Terrorists does nothing but enable them to other Muslims.
It's not our fight. If the Iraqis want their country so bad let them fight for it. It should be split in 3 parts, Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites each in their own territory.
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BOY HOWDY !!!!
See conservatives do get their "news" from faux "news". Middle class wages have been decreasing since 1980, since when do conservatives/republicans want employees to make more money? . The influence we lost in the world is a direct result of not finding wmd's in iraq. Obama took over a $1.2 TRILLION a year deficit lowering it to $468 BILLION, did you want him to lowering to zero his first year? Why didn't conservatives hold reagan who tripled the debt, bush I double it and bush II double to the same standard. Fast and furious is an extension of a bush administration program. IRS "war" on conservatives LAUGHABLE. They did the same thing to liberals - but you ignore that fact. The irs was doing their JOB. How did we have 50 million on food stamps? The great republican recession. We are not a christian nation - the Treaty of Tripoli made that very clear in 1796 signed by founding father John Adams - "Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims]; and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli So you want to cut social security a program that has been paid into for decades? Obama has repeatedly met with repuclian leaders. How many times did republican leadership tell obama they wouldn't meet with him because your base would freak out. Laughable about finding common ground - fully 1/3 of the stimulas package was tax cut that republicans wanted and not only did a couple of repubclians vote for it they then went out and railed against it - but of course requesting funds from it left and right. Of course defense spending was cut - he ended two wars. Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama? http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...-barack-obama/ Facts again don't back up your spending claims. As for fundamentally transform this Nation here is the context of what he said - "Now, Mizzou, I just have two words for you tonight: five days. Five days. After decades of broken politics in Washington, and eight years of failed policies from George W. Bush, and 21 months of a campaign that's taken us from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California, we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America."In five days, you can turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street. In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy, so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor." This is the fundamentally transform this Nation he was talking about.
Do not confuse them with some facts from dubya and cheney saying the same thing. I wish these guys would tell us what bush's and reagan's "real accomplishments" were before being elected to office.
Champ, I won't go point by point...you are right on many...but, I would point
out about the wage thing...they are ticking back up...but, want to know why
they were stuck...big business figured out that so many were afraid to lose the
job they had that they accepted heavier workload (no new hiring...slowed the
job growth) with no pay increase and had to increase production in the normal
40 hour week...no overtime, doncha know...big business profits suffered only
slightly, compared to the worker....hmmmm, widening wealth gap between the
haves and have nots. This approach bled over into nearly every walk of life.
Obamacare? 11.6 million more people have insurance that didn't have before
it...seniors have saved billions upon billions as the doughnut hole closes, huge
numbers of young people stayed on parents' insurance, insurance companies
cannot deny coverage on preexisting conditions...
Social Security, Medicare, immigration all hot button issues...overstepping his
authority? Well, yes, in some cases, but, at least he tried to do something, since
Congress had/has their thumbs up where the sun doesn't shine.
Waste, fraud and abuse of Medicare/Medicaid IS under scrutiny. There has been
a number of providers prosecuted...$9B in Florida and almost as much in TX, off
the top of my head.
Obama has a LOT of faults, no question....but, as to being elected and reelected?
Well, if memory serves, W was elected and reelected, as well. This is certainly a
two way street, just look across the yellow, do not pass, double line.
You assume that I was happy with W, and I wasn't. I'm a conservative, W was no conservative. Not the way that he spent money and "enlarged" the federal government. If I didn't like W, I surely would not like BHO.
The Repubs made it crystal clear that any immigration reform would be done by first securing the border, and to me that makes a ton of sense. But BHO largely ignored that request, and did it on his own. You think that is a noble accomplishment, ignoring the opposition party and then doing exactly what he said for six years he could not, to the point of exceeding his authority?
You seem perfectly happy to accept a healthcare plan that would not have ever been passed if he had told the American people the truth. But he lied, on numerous occasions to pass what many believe is the most poorly engineered and ill conceived legislation ever to pass Congress, ever. So 180 million folks that were for the most part happy with their health insurance, are sacrificed so that 11- 12 million are happy? Do you not know the millions that are crazy mad at how high their deductibles are now and how much more they are paying for their health insurance than before and that's ok? But I guess that's how socialism works huh? You make the poor working saps pay more, so that some can have it free, or dirt cheap? Medicare keeps squeezing the doctors in fee reduction that soon you will have a very difficult time finding a doctor that will see you. Most doctors today have to severely limit the number of Medicare patients they see because they can't pay their overhead with what they make on them. As I recall BHO took 700 Billion out of Medicare to help fund the ACA. Those savings of $2,500 a family he promised are not happening and the overall costs of the ACA, according to the latest CBO numbers, are drastically more than what he promised.
His foreign policy "lead from behind" policy has been an utter disaster. His naiveté he shows in dealing with our enemies is hard to fathom. He for some odd reason thinks that apologizing and kissing up to your enemies will somehow buy him some favor, when all it buys you is a lack of respect and your adversaries stepping up their aggressiveness, which we have seen all over the globe. Putin? One of Obama's very first things he did after elected was cancel the Missile defense shield that had been promised for Eastern Europe? Think maybe Poland, Hungary or Romania are wishing now that he hadn't done that?
As far as the economy, would you please name me one pro business program that this President has pushed through Congress that you can point to that has energized this economy? The shovel ready projects that turned out in his words....were not so shovel ready? This economy is performing despite the efforts of BHO. It is riding the natural peaks and valleys that you see in capitalist economic systems. Between the ACA, higher taxes, a ton of new regulations, the EPA thugs harassing businesses, and the specter of Cap and Tax, this man has done more to spook businesses into passiveness than any President that I can think of outside of maybe Jimmy Carter. The only thing pro-business about BHO is Wall Street and how many billions did he use to bail them out? No wonder they like him.
Glad you're happy.
Last edited by champions77; 2/22/2015 at 03:45 PM.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, it's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-----Winston Churchill
I thought you are a high information conservative voter. Bush ran as a compassionate conservative and criticized Al Gore over gun control and taxation. Dubya was a conservative. 180 million peoples insurance was sacrificed? Where do you get this stuff at? Took $700 billion out of medicare to pay for ACA? Not true - rightwingnut talking point. "Obamacare does not literally cut funding from the Medicare budget, but tries to bring down future health care costs in the program. Much of this is accomplished by reducing Medicare Advantage, a small subset of Medicare plans that are run by private insurers." http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...re-and-senior/ The economy is performing despite the efforts of obama? ACA didn't turn out to be the "job killer" conservatives/republicans said it would be. Higher taxes? The only tax increase is on wealthy making over $450k a year. Everyone else got a tax CUT. Who bailed out wall street? GEORGE W. BUSH. Get your facts straight.
Champ, only one response...There was no $700B cut from Medicare! This is
such a BS point....$716B in spending reduction...in spending reduction...in
spending reduction....I repeat it only because the Pubs repeated the fallacy of
cutting money from Medicare when, in truth, (FactCheck.org) says it is a
reduction in future spending......
Fair enough, I agree that statement is misleading...to a point. The money is not directly transferred from Medicare to the ACA. But it is true that anticipated savings from Medicare come mostly from providers (those reduced fees that providers can now charge, which will cause a problem in itself) to help offset some of the anticipated costs of the ACA. Spending will not decrease in Medicare year after year, but the reduction is from anticipated levels of spending in future years. Now if the GOP had sponsored this, that would be looked at as a cut, right? Has been in the past.
The GOP should have instead attacked the reduced fees providers will receive. Talk to most any doctor and they will tell you that they can only have a small percentage of Medicare patients because the fee structure is so small, they cannot pay their overhead if they have too many Medicare patients. That is a problem.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, it's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-----Winston Churchill
Misleading? It's false. This is the problem with politics these days - facts are open to interpretation. It not is transferred at all to the ACA, it is a measure to hold down future costs. If you have a variable rate mortgage that is going up and refinance your house to a lower rate is that a cut in your spending? It is a cut in your ANTICIPATED spending, a savings on future spending. If you have ever been in budgeting anytime you set a budget and lower future spending it is called a cut. This has nothing to do with doctors - is covers hospitals and insurance companies. This is something that should have happened without the ACA and should be something pubs and dems can agree on.
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