Even if they would come the last thing we need is any more prima donna schools that are looking for special sweetheart deals. That's the root cause of the disintegration of the Big 12.Originally Posted by Soonerjeepman
Even if they would come the last thing we need is any more prima donna schools that are looking for special sweetheart deals. That's the root cause of the disintegration of the Big 12.
If the Pac-12 wouldn't take BYU, there's no way in freezing hell they'd take Baylor. The only question about Baylor if we and Texas jump ship is how many lawyers and PR firms they'd hire to cry, whine, and threaten publicly for them about being left behind. Having Baylor on board is truly like agreeing to let your girlfriend's little brother tag along to the movies with you: a complete cockblock of a situation.
The Pac-12 president guy came from the tennis world and is strictly a marketing guy - that is why Oklahoma State not appealing to them. What do they have to offer the Pac-12 brand? Outside of Oklahoma, OSU means Ohio State to the rest of the country.
And, badger, I agree with you on Pickens...it would be hard for him to keep his mouth shut if he knew something about Texas' intentions.
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I heard they (pac-12) wanted OU and TX but not OSU that's why we stayed
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Geography and a willingness to join without haggling?
Utah and Colorado weren't playing the "You can only have us if you let us bring along Utah State/Colorado State" card.
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Colorado was given the invite to block Baylor when it looked like 6 Big-12s were joining the Pac-10 to make the Pac-16 ... UT, A&M, OU, oSu, Tech, and one other. Colorado was a quick add to head off Baylor trying to tag along. When the whole idea fell apart Utah was added to get them to the magic number of 12.
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So what does the Big 12 do with Baylor? Nobody seems to want them? I think the SEC would take OU and OSU but I don't think they would take Baylor or TCU. You are correct in your recollection of the PAC 10 not wanting Baylor.
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Notre Dame isn't stupid enough to go Big 12.
BYU is a mistake on multiple levels. Besides, their following is less than you think (this coming from a Mormon). Adding West Virginia meant we pretty much have to go east for expansion. I think the Cincy-Memphis thing could be a real possibility. Let's hope they don't go crazy and invite more crappy schools to get to 14 or 16 (UCF, USF, ECU, etc). I believe there will be (long term) comparisons to the old Big East.
On a related note...this subject HAS to concern Texas, right? Their only out is nixing the LHN (no other conference would allow it). Are they that stupid? I wonder what would have happened if OU, OSU, and TT (and the Pac) said we were going with them or without them (to force their hand). I doubt they want SEC or to be left on an island with the ACC or Big 10.
My first preference was the Pac 16 but I'm quickly becoming open to other scenarios. I know people don't think we are tied to Texas but I see wisdom in it. But LHN must die.
Screw Baylor. And TCU. And Iowa State. And even the Kansas schools. WV and TT too. I'd like to be with Texas and OSU. But if that can't happen, then screw them too!
Do we care what happens to Baylor? Baylor is Baylor's problem. If we can get into the Pac-12 - and theorizing that Texas is also invited - it's none of our concern what happens to everyone else.
For all I care, they can go full Big East II and invite Cincy, Memphis, Houston, and SMU in an attempt to make it an attractive basketball conference. SMU isn't horrible anymore with Larry Brown there. And, Houston has Kelvin Sampson, so maybe they'll finally be decent again.
The could call it the Big Midwest:
South
Baylor
TCU
Houston
Oklahoma State
SMU
Texas Tech
North
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Cincinnati
Memphis
West Virginia
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BYU would be the biggest joke! We have TWO too many private schools now! And this one comes with demands! They don't have as great a following as people think as NO ONE ELSE WANTS THEM! And the Big 12 has NO USE FOR THEM either!
And that right there is the dilemma the Big 12 finds itself in. After BYU you're pretty much down to directional schools and de-facto commuter colleges. At this point about any move the Big 12 makes will be wrong. I suggest we grab a lifeboat.
I vote for the lifeboat as well. This conference is going nowhere at this time.
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OU should just go independant and schedule whoever the hell they want.
I would agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.
What a craptacular CF OU is in right now. We decided to suck on ut's teat, but then are anchored to freakin' Pork U. If we'd had any foresight, we would have taken hands with a&m and jumped to the SEC, leaving Mizzou behind in the dust along with the rest of this sorry conference.
OSU hates to be called Li'l Brother? Let them prove it. Let OU go and show us what a fine establishment you are. I still think the SEC would take us as they have room to grow to 16, though I don't know who comes with us. Honestly, I'd like it to be WV, but I think the SEC for whatever reason already shot them down.
Ah geez, what a bunch of chicken littles.
Right now the SEC is the only conference better than ours, and the Pac-12 is right beside us. Every other conference is worse than ours.
This is ONE time that we didn't get our top team in the playoffs. It's not like this has happened over and over. It was just the perfect storm of two 11-1 teams splitting votes, TCU collapsing in the 4th quarter at Waco, tOSU obliterating Wisconsin in a fashion nobody expected, and Baylor suffering from non-conference scheduling decisions they made when they needed every possible win just to have a chance at bowl eligibility.
Had Alabama stumbled against Auburn or Mizzou, the SEC wouldn't have a representative, either. Same goes for Pac-12 if Oregon hadn't avenged their Arizona loss. Same for Big 10 had tOSU not destroyed Wisconsin. Same goes for FSU if they had lost any of their many close games.
We're just fine.
IMHO expansion is an over reaction and a move ignoring one of the key reasons Baylor was left out ... a pitifully weak OOC. The first lesson in all of this is that OOC matters ... and Baylor failed in that regard. Schedule better and this might not have been an issue.
In the long term ... I still hope OU can end up in a Pac-16 conference with UT, oSu, and Tech
Gig 'Em and God Bless
The sky is falling!!!
You are EXACTLY right!
Yep but if the Big12 is actually talking to other teams then they are the ones you need to be talking to.
I would agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.
They didn't say the same thing after a 55-44 Iron Bowl game, the national media still expects teams to play like it's the 85 Sooner or Hurricane defenses out there. The offenses are way different than 30 years ago, it's a different game now.
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