My only issue with Baylor getting in is their loss. WVU is not a bad team, but the way they lost is what keeps Baylor out in my mind. I know TCU's only loss was to Baylor, but it was a very close game. If both teams finish with just the one loss, I think TCU gets the nod.Originally Posted by SicEmBaylor
I could see a case for both Baylor and TCU to get in, but we aren't the SEC, so that's not going to happen.
TCU getting in over Baylor is absolutely ridiculous beyond all reason and logic when there is a tangible head-to-head record that puts us over TCU. Hanging that much importance on a decidedly average Minnesota team is equally ridiculous as is not taking into account their struggle against Kansas and our comparative score in that game along with the comparative score of the OU game. We'll see how we do against Kansas State.
But there is no logical or reasonable argument for TCU over Baylor in the playoff. Having said that, I'm more pissed about tOSU being ahead of us than I am TCU. And if the Big XII is passed over entirely (whether it be us or TCU) then people need to show up at the selection committee with pitchforks and torches.
I said this on some thread; the worst thing about being out of the race is that I don't give a crap about any outside happenings. I don't care who has to beat who for us to move up or whatever.
sigh. I too miss, maybe not the drama, but the excitement of it all and keeping up with everything.
Next year!
Yes, but anybody who watched that game knows that Baylor doesn't pull that out without some home-cooking. Those PI calls never would have happened at TCU, or even on a neutral field.
Sterling Shepard played against TCU. It's kind of like playing OU after Broyles went down. Totally different ball game.and our comparative score in that game along with the comparative score of the OU game.
Exactly. We'll wait and see how it plays out before freaking out, though. These kinds of things tend to sort themselves out. Everybody freaked out about the BCS, but it usually got things right in the end.We'll see how we do against Kansas State.
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And if the Big XII is passed over entirely (whether it be us or TCU) then people need to show up at the selection committee with pitchforks and torches.
My biggest concern about this system right now is that the defending champs can be the only undefeated team team in the country, yet are still only 3rd. It appears that this new playoff poll is the worst one we have.
If Baylor had won convincingly, you'd have an argument. Also, if all things were equal, and that were the only variable at play, you'd have an argument. Neither of those things happened.
You're thinking with your Baylor brain, because the majority of folks that have discussed this are in agreement that TCU will probably beat Baylor out for the spot unless one of them loses. And sadly, it does come down to Minnesota. They are better than "decidedly average", but they aren't a powerhouse either. However, they look like a powerhouse compared to every OOC team Baylor played. Everyone knew OOC games were going to be factored in, but Baylor continues to schedule Incarnate Word. If it comes down to OOC strength of schedule, then Baylor loses every time.
Baylor still has time to turn some heads, but I just don't see them jumping TCU. Next time, don't lose to WVU.
Lots of thing can and will happen between now and the selection show. There really isn't any point in anyone getting too worked up over any of it, it's just too soon.
I also wholehearted agree with you about this poll...although I think, at the end of the day, the committee bases everything off of the other polls. The jury is still out, but I'm starting to wonder in the BCS wasn't the way to do it...at least to rank the teams.
Are you for real? Is this real life that I'm living in or some kind of bizarro-world? My argument is that...WE WON THE GAME! You're seriously going to give TCU the nod over us because they didn't LOSE to us by enough points? Are you going to penalize TCU for not beating Kansas by enough points? Or for not beaing OU by enough points? For Christ's sake....we won.
You're smart enough to know this is a stupid and indefensible position. The problem is that you "feel" like TCU is "probably" better than Baylor, so you're really working like hell to make the actual facts reflect that belief....except they don't.
All things being equal, the only thing that matters is head-to-head. /story
These arguments are meaningless until all the data is there. Some team is going to do something really weird before this season is over.
But like I said earlier, it wasn't on a neutral field, so it doesn't all come down to head-to-head. Based on how that game turned out, TCU would have won that on a neutral field, as those PI inconsistencies don't tend to happen so closely together when an officiating crew isn't being influenced by a home crowd. Winning certainly counts for something, but it's close enough that we're going to have to wait until all the games have been played to decide on this.
What the ****? The game wasn't played on a neutral field; therefore, the win doesn't count? Who the **** decided on that rule? I'm not thinking with my 'Baylor brain' -- I'm thinking with my 'I'm not an illogical idiot' brain.
Your using pure conjecture on what may or may not have happened in a game that was never played in a location that was never agreed upon to negate a real-world actual result on the playing field. This is beyond lunacy.
So what if it might have been played on a neutral field? Maybe we would have won in any case. Maybe TCU would have won. Maybe we get a late game INT for a pick 6 that wins the game. Maybe the TCU QB goes down with an injury early in the game and his backup comes in. Maybe a comet hits. Maybe Petty shook of his early-season jitters early and dominates the game. Maybe Briles outcoaches Patterson (again). Do you see the problem with this bull**** reasoning? It's asinine and stupid. It's nothing but pure conjecture on what MIGHT have happened and using that 'logic' to throw out the legitimacy of an actual win.
Christ-o-mighty -- you people aren't this dense.
SicEm...you need to listen to the people who make these decisions...they have CLEARLY layed out why they choose TCU over Baylor. The simplest answer is that Baylor's Non Conference schedule is KILLING them...not even remotely impressive!!! Head to head only comes into to play if all things are equal...and in the case of TCU and Baylor, all things are not equal.
Deal with and adjust your Non Conference Schedule...pure and simple. The committee has made it clear that teams get penalized for fluff and stuff scheduling...AND teams get penalized for poor performances against week teams...ala TCU dropping in the rankings because they struggled against a sorry azz KU.
I still predict that BU will pass TCU if they both win out because of the KSU game.
You guys beat them by a field goal at home. What's home field advantage worth? You're basically even with them. So TCU should get the nod because of your sh!tty non-con schedule. If you can't nut up and play a half assed decent team in one out of three games then you deserve to get left out. Even old man Snyder has nutted up in recent years. Baylor's scheduling is an embarrassment.
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I'd like to thank Sic'Em for the pre-butthurt. "Pre" because they haven't played KSU as yet, so BU fans have a couple weeks to whine about something that may not matter. This was the drama I was looking for when I started this thread - just wish OUr fans could be more invested due to better circumstances (like being undefeated, sigh). Carry on.
I promise to do a meltdown post after final playoff rankings of some sort, because even if it isn't a Big 12 team, someone who thinks they're worthy will be left out of the four-team party and declare a boycott of Dr. Pepper and their annoying commercials.
Say... isn't Baylor the mecca of Dr. Pepper? Why isn't the primary sponsor of this CFP fest in the top four for this reason alone? Dear or dear, I guess Ann Richards is dead, because as SicEm repeatedly reminds us, she is the only reason Baylor is in the Big 12 and had any political clout ever.
You're trying to find logic in the situation, and it's not there. The win (over TCU) does count for something, but so does the point differential. Sic, you're blinded by your green and gold glasses. If Baylor would have taken care of business in Morgantown, there wouldn't be an argument. The committee will take into account the win over TCU, but I'm telling you they will also take into account the score, and the fact that it was on the road. When looking at both teams, they're going to look at more than just that one game...they're going to look at overall strength of schedule too.
You can argue with me all you want, but it's not going to change the outcome. The one benefit Baylor has is that their schedule gives them more of an opportunity to impress the committee (than TCU). But, if you're asking me, I think TCU deserves to be in over Baylor. Yes, I "think", because you know, I'm not on the actual committee.
Unless it's Mississippi State or any other sec team of course...ala msu not moving at all for their abysmal performance against a 1-5 in conference arkansas
I disagree...and it appears that every other non-biased person here does as well.
So you're saying that the fact that TCU was playing in Waco decreased the chances of their QB getting hurt, a comet striking, Baylor's QB playing well, Baylor's gameplan being successful, and throwing pick-6's?Your using pure conjecture on what may or may not have happened in a game that was never played in a location that was never agreed upon to negate a real-world actual result on the playing field. This is beyond lunacy.
So what if it might have been played on a neutral field? Maybe we would have won in any case. Maybe TCU would have won. Maybe we get a late game INT for a pick 6 that wins the game. Maybe the TCU QB goes down with an injury early in the game and his backup comes in. Maybe a comet hits. Maybe Petty shook of his early-season jitters early and dominates the game. Maybe Briles outcoaches Patterson (again). Do you see the problem with this bull**** reasoning? It's asinine and stupid. It's nothing but pure conjecture on what MIGHT have happened and using that 'logic' to throw out the legitimacy of an actual win.
That's funny. I would have thought the reverse would have been true on all of the those (even the comet...due to it being Waco and all).
Statistically, college football teams play better at home than they do on the road. It's reality. Not lunacy.
Do you think that calling everybody idiots over and over strengthens your argument?Christ-o-mighty -- you people aren't this dense.
Speaking of hurt QB, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what ended Baylor's playoff chances. That or SMU, Northwestern State and Buffalo. Geez, it's like I'm taking attendance for Worst Teams in College Football 101.
I started reading this thread with good intentions. But I don't care enough.
What I would like to see:
FSU to lose
Baylor penalized for a girly schedule
Ohio St left out
Bama to win the NC
Mariotta's eligibility to run out
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