Counting 2012 is so aggie. Let's leave that to the Pokes. Everybody knows we weren't BXII champs that year. Even Bob kind of shrugs and says, "Well, those are the rules of the Big XII." Counting that is tantamount to Bama claiming 30 natties or whatever it is they claim.
There ya go, the Kool Aid drinkers are reduced to being Aggie to cover for their boy!
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It's the nature of the new format. We tied for first. If we had a championship game, we would have played KSU for it. The Aggies claimed to be Big XII champs, even though they didn't even play in the championshp game. That's different.
Regardless, we won in:
2000
2002
2004
2006
2007
2008
2009
2012 - Tie
Pretty dominant if you ask me.
My Thoughts? We lost by ONE point to a team we were only ranked 3 spots ahead of. The didnt make as many mistakes as we did.
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Your very narrow question misses the point. The point is that this is the 6th straight year that Stoops' team has not been in the running late in the season for a National Championship. You may not consider that a big deal. But I do. I believe 6 years is a significant amount of time and merits close scrutiny.
And they WAY these teams are losing says a lot. Giving up many third down conversions on defense. Failing to convert many 3rd downs on offense. Consistent poor use of timeouts.
According to Sporting News, Bob is the second highest paid coach this year behind Saban. He's in the top 1% for pay. Do you think the product (that he is ultimately responsible for) is an elite team? Is 5-2 and out of contention before November what passes for elite today?
Name one season since the loss to Florida, when Oklahoma has been part of the championship discussion in the second half of November and first week of December?
And yet there the trophy is, in the case. This isn't something new. In 1975 we were co-champs with Nebraska after we beat them head to head. In 1978 were co-champs with Nebraska and they beat us head to head. Happened again in 1984 with Nebraska. Nobody thought this was unfair at all. Head to head is not the be all and end all because it only figures one side of the equation.
Agree, but it sure seems like it's been 10 years though since the last uncontested one. I guess that's the nature of the monster. Sure hope Bob can get a couple of more and he doesn't go out sucking hind tit like Mack did. Just don't think he will w/o some more in-house coaching shake ups though.
Lots of good posts in this thread. Yes, we lost by 1 to a team ranked 3 spots behind us but I think alot of us mistakenly thought we were better than our current ranking and this was a game to start showing it. Obviously, we didn't even deserve that ranking. It seems like we continually fall short. When is the last time we would have played Bama and been the favorite? It's been a while. I too thought we turned a corner in the Sugar Bowl only to get slammed down to the reality of yet another disappointing season. I don't have any reason to think anything will be different next year.
After watching some more football today I was quickly reminded how lucky we actually are as Sooner fans. There are a lot of horrible teams that would be a real drag to be a fan of. It's disappointing going another year without championship hopes, but things could be way worse as a fan.
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Because K-State is better coached. Of course, K-State made more mistakes against Auburn, so I guess Auburn is better coached. And of course, Auburn made more mistakes against Mississippi State, so I guess Mississippi State is better coached. And of course, Mississippi State lost 6 games with the same coach last year, so I suppose all those teams are better coached (which includes OSU, and oddly enough, Auburn...who is now not as well coached as Mississippi State).
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I don't quite understand the sooner apologists. To me, they are trying to convince everyone that this coaching staff has not underachieved with the talent we have had over the last decade with reasons of "At least we aren't Vanderbilt fans". Or "He is a better coach than John Blake".
No one is really arguing that we are Big 12 bottom dwellers or that Stoops is losing 7 games a year. But I think it is reasonable to conclude that 2005-present has yielded a significant drop off from 1999-2004.
Some will rebut that by asking, "What about 2008?" Well, what about it, our staff had an offense that could put up 60 per game, yet still loss two games, one in part thanks to horrendous play calling at the goal line.
Let us not also forget 2007. I believe the talent of that team is massively understated, and we were more than capable of winning a title, especially that year when teams were just giving it away, but an abysmal lost to Colorado kept up out. (I won't even start with the miserable failure that was the fiesta bowl).
Since then, we have been no where near contention, awful losses all over the place, 3 quarterbacks whose abilities have been crippled due to coach blundering, and now here we are in 2014 with maybe our most complete team in terms of talent since 2003, and we've already lost two games.
We have three good running backs, a much improved line, and a third year quarterback who is extremely mobile and a stud WR, and we can't move the ball consistently (point to this game all you want, Ill change my tune once I see this more often, and even then, offensive coaching blunders led to burning much needed timeouts, not to mention inexplicable abandoning formations that were effective)
I've seen some winning percentages being thrown around. Of course stoops wins games. No one is saying he is a terrible coach. But coaches like Lloyd Carr and Mack Brown (up until the last few years) have high winning percentages as well, are they automatically elite coaches? No, they are above average coaches that can recruit well, but with a history of blowing big games and underachieving with talent they bring in.
Call me spoiled all you want, I am not throwing a hissy fit. There are more important things in life to get upset about. But I am stating the truth, and the truth is that Stoops has not been an elite coach since 2004. Not terrible, but not elite.