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    Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    I'm in favor of a travel ban from the Ebola-racked countries.

    I support sending help there...and keeping the disease there.

    Why is this policy not already in effect?

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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by ouwasp View Post
    I'm in favor of a travel ban from the Ebola-racked countries.

    I support sending help there...and keeping the disease there.

    Why is this policy not already in effect?
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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    Yeah, no cons for me personally but I guess there might be a few people not too happy about it

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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by ouwasp View Post
    I'm in favor of a travel ban from the Ebola-racked countries.

    I support sending help there...and keeping the disease there.

    Why is this policy not already in effect?
    You could ban travel from countries which have large scale infection rates, but that only slows it. It would eventually get here and to other industrialized countries on a larger scale if we do not act to snuff it out in West Africa. Your latter suggestion is the only way to properly deal with the virus. There must be a large scale international intervention in West Africa to control Ebola. This needs to be done as soon as possible when the virus is still mostly contained to one part of one continent. Every country has a stake in this, so I would hope there will be more cooperation when more cases appear in industrialized nations. At this time, I am not so sure it is necessary to ban all travel from those countries, but we certainly should implement strict airport screening of passengers on incoming flights originating in those countries. If the virus continues to spread here, yeah, I would favor a travel ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexsooner View Post
    we certainly should implement strict airport screening of passengers on incoming flights originating in those countries. If the virus continues to spread here, yeah, I would favor a travel ban.
    Wow, so you want to ban travel from "black" countries but not white countries with ebola.
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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by OhU1 View Post
    Wow, so you want to ban travel from "black" countries but not white countries with ebola.
    Why do you progressives always play the race card? This virus is deadly and I could not care any less which country the carriers are from if it poses a real threat to our population. Dang libtard. Did you watch something on MSNBC about this instead of more balanced news like Fox?

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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by OhU1 View Post
    Wow, so you want to ban travel from "black" countries but not white countries with ebola.
    A joke, right?

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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by ouwasp View Post
    I'm in favor of a travel ban from the Ebola-racked countries.

    I support sending help there...and keeping the disease there.

    Why is this policy not already in effect?
    Because the experts who study this stuff have said it would be counterproductive. Obama has made it very clear, he's not philosophically against a travel ban but he's following the advice of the experts in the field. That is what every President would do.

    What appears to be common sense is not always correct.

    Pros: Well, these are obvious.

    Cons:

    • We limit our ability to fight the disease at its root. We need a flow of people and material to fight the disease in western Africa. If you don't get a handle on it there, it will come here no matter what restrictions are in place. With millions infected and spreading it to other countries we're all in trouble.
    • Desperate people will find a way out. That's been the case in previous epidemics. When that happens we lose our ability to monitor the situation.
    • History has shown that trying to seal borders/regions has not been effective.
    • We do not control what other countries do. Unless the entire world enacted bans on travel to western Africa it would come here sooner or later and by that point it might be completely out of control.
    • Look at the Belize situation. We have a person who is at almost no risk being denied entry into Belize so that the person could be evacuated. We might not be as open about this next time considering how irrational they are being. That will be a loss for Belize. Let's not forget the economic impact this could have on Belize if we take punitive measures. Anyway, the same could happen here if we act irrationally.



    Hey, I'm all for travel bans if the experts say it would help but I'm not going to panic and pretend I know more than the experts.

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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    Barack has appointed an Ebola Czar (not a joke)-----Everyone feel safer now?

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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by jkjsooner View Post

    Hey, I'm all for travel bans if the experts say it would help but I'm not going to panic and pretend I know more than the experts.
    Which experts are you talking about? The CDC look like they know **** all about handling this situation.

    The travel ban that I've heard being proposed still has chartered flights in place for medical personnel/equipment.

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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    I heard the CDC head recommended against the travel ban because he said it would cause terrible damage to the economies of the "fledgling democracies" in question.

    I might very well respect his opinion regarding Ebola. I don't give a fig about his opinions on geopolitics. And the African economies matter very little when American lives (and our economy) are at risk.

    Send help, yes, absolutely. Protect America first.

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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    Barack has appointed an Ebola Czar (not a joke)-----Everyone feel safer now?
    What do you want him to do? Specifically.

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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by ouwasp View Post
    I heard the CDC head recommended against the travel ban because he said it would cause terrible damage to the economies of the "fledgling democracies" in question.

    I might very well respect his opinion regarding Ebola. I don't give a fig about his opinions on geopolitics. And the African economies matter very little when American lives (and our economy) are at risk.

    Send help, yes, absolutely. Protect America first.
    He did not just expound on the geopolitics of a travel ban. He also gave his opinion against a travel ban because it would hinder health care organizations from tracking the disease and carriers and thus hurt our ability to manage Ebola. The World Health Organization has come out with the same rationale against travel bans. Do you respect this opinion of multiple health care organizations?

    The stability of African economies is very much related to the ability to contain Ebola. Let's suppose there is instability and an economic downturn in Liberia, Sierra Leone, or Guinea. It is locals who are performing the tasks of dealing with Ebola patients with probably very limited resources. The international intervention which is coming on a larger scale will also be hampered if the local economies are in tatters. Also, when there is economic unrest, people tend to flee and go elsewhere, like to neighboring African countries or abroad. All of this puts our lives at greater risk. Make sense?
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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by ouwasp View Post
    I'm in favor of a travel ban from the Ebola-racked countries.

    I support sending help there...and keeping the disease there.

    Why is this policy not already in effect?
    Can you imaging the Media sh*t-fest if a republican president was in office with ebola coming to America?
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    I'm not sure a travel ban would have any impact on keeping Ebola out of the U.S. After all, it's already here.

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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    haha. puh-leeze!
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post
    What do you want him to do? Specifically.
    ----Maybe appoint a Doc or someone in the medical field not a lawyer and former chief of staff for Joe Biden-----I don't recall a great deal of medical training in law school

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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    Barack has appointed an Ebola Czar (not a joke)-----Everyone feel safer now?
    He did so after the Republicans criticized and begged him to do so. They apparently had Czars until they don't.

    Damned if you do damned if you don't.

    And thanks, lex, for explaining the rationale why we need to worry about the local economies in west Africa. It's not a purely altruistic situation. Our best interest is tied to the interests of west Africa in a large part. If you can't see that then you're not seeing the bigger picture.

    The thing that drives me crazy is that if Romney, McCain, either Bush, or even Reagan were in office right now, they'd listen to the CDC, the WHO, and other experts and take their advice. That's what a President does.
    Last edited by jkjsooner; 10/17/2014 at 03:33 PM.

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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by jkjsooner View Post
    He did so after the Republicans criticized and begged him to do so. They apparently had Czars until they don't.

    Damned if you do damned if you don't.
    ---Why would Barack appoint a Washington insider lawyer rather than a medical pro for the job? That's just stupid

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    Re: Pros and Cons of a Travel Ban from West Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    ---Why would Barack appoint a Washington insider lawyer rather than a medical pro for the job? That's just stupid
    I don't know about that. Maybe because he thinks someone with administrative abilities is needed and the technical details can be handled and explained by subordinates. In either case, I'm not here to defend who he chose.

    Your original post that I quoted was not a criticism of who he appointed but instead a criticism that he appointed someone to begin with. It's the whole "Obama Czars" thing again except you forgot that it was Republicans who were demanding one be appointed.

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