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    Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    Let me say I am a supporter of legal immigration if well controlled. Please read this article before you respond.
    http://cis.org/node/4573
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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    It uses a A just-released study from the Heritage Foundation. Don't trust it.

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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post
    It uses a A just-released study from the Heritage Foundation. Don't trust it.
    Good. Then don't comment again on the thread, troll. That will allow the non-troll posters to have a serious discussion on the article without you side tracking the thread.
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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    I'm sorry old farts, but there's just not enough of us younger workers to maintain your social security, medicare, pension, government programs and other expected benefits of 40-50 years of retirement. Since old farts are also used to the good ol' days when everything cost a nickel, we also need to have workers that expect really low pay to produce goods and services on the cheap.

    So, you can either give up everything the government and your employers promised you in retirement, or illegally immigrate some immigrants. Your choice

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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by badger View Post
    I'm sorry old farts, but there's just not enough of us younger workers to maintain your social security, medicare, pension, government programs and other expected benefits of 40-50 years of retirement. Since old farts are also used to the good ol' days when everything cost a nickel, we also need to have workers that expect really low pay to produce goods and services on the cheap.

    So, you can either give up everything the government and your employers promised you in retirement, or illegally immigrate some immigrants. Your choice
    I accept your premise about an aging population. However, if non-skilled immigrants are truly a net drain on resources and all immigrants lower American workers' wages how does that help the revenue base needed to replenish the Social Security and Medicare trust funds?
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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    I accept your premise about an aging population. However, if non-skilled immigrants are truly a net drain on resources and all immigrants lower American workers' wages how does that help the revenue base needed to replenish the Social Security and Medicare trust funds?
    Simple, really. It doesn't.

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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    It is very obvious which special interests benefit the most from increasing immigration both legal and illegal. And this special interest group has zero partisan loyalty. They play both sides of the political aisle.
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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    Gov. Jerry Brown: All Mexicans, Legal or Not, 'Welcome in California'
    Tuesday, 26 Aug 2014 03:41 PM

    Gov. Jerry Brown said on Monday that all Mexicans — whether in the United States legally or not — are "welcome in California."

    The Democrat made the remark as he introduced Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto in Los Angeles at the Millennium Biltmore Hotel, the Los Angeles Times reports. Brown was surrounded by several hundred Mexican immigrants.

    Peña Nieto is on a two-day visit to the Golden State, his first U.S. official visit since becoming president in 2012, after a recent trade mission Brown made to his country. He pledged to make life better for Mexicans living on both sides of the border.

    "This is the other Mexico," Peña Nieto said of the United States, which is home to an estimated 11 million Mexican immigrants. He was scheduled to address the California Legislature in Sacramento on Tuesday.

    Mexico is California's largest trading partner, receiving more than $3.9 billion in exports last year, the Times reports.

    Peña Nieto also "thanked state officials for embracing foreigners, citing measures that extend state benefits to immigrants, and presented scholarships to several immigrant students enrolled at California universities," according to the Times.

    Last year, Brown signed the Trust Act, which provides driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. He also expanded financial aid with the California DREAM Act that he signed in 2011.

    Brown also pledged in his speech to "find ways to shorten long waits at the Tijuana-San Diego international border crossing," to solve the border crisis.

    "If we can put a man on the moon, we can put a man from Mexico to California in 20 minutes," the governor said to laughter and applause.

    In 2012, 28 percent of California's residents were born outside the U.S., according to The New York Times, with Hispanics comprising "19.2 percent of California voters" in 2010.

    Further, nearly 40 percent of the Golden State's population is Hispanic, according to the Pew Research Center, making California "only the second state, behind New Mexico, where whites are not the majority and Latinos are the plurality."

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    Groveling at its finest and ramping up benefits to illegals....what a plan.

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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    There's more on the way Jerry!!!

    Pew Survey: 34 Percent of Mexicans Would Come to US
    Wednesday, 27 Aug 2014 07:03 AM

    Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto's agenda of economic reform is unpopular with six out of 10 citizens, Pew Research said. The news comes as Peña Nieto wraps up a two-day visit to the United States, having declared America to be "the other Mexico," according to the Los Angeles Times.

    Thirty-four percent of Mexicans would come to the United States if they could – 17 percent would come whether legally or not, according to Pew. Almost one-third of Mexicans have friends or relatives in the United States with whom they are in regular contact. This figure is down 10 points since 2007.

    Fewer Mexicans believe a better life awaits them in the U.S.— 51 percent in 2007 as opposed to 44 percent in the current survey — though 51 percent of those 18 to 29 look toward the United States as a land of opportunity, Pew reported.

    The survey also found that 67 percent of the population polled is dissatisfied with the direction of their country. Of the problems plaguing Mexico, crime tops the list with 79 percent saying it is a "very big problem." Political corruption (72 percent), drug cartel violence (72 percent), corrupt police (63 percent), and healthcare (54 percent) also worry large numbers of Mexicans, Pew reported.

    While 57 percent think the national government is an influence for good, Peña Nieto's own "unfavorable" rating stands at 51 percent. Reversing decades of policy, he has allowed foreign investment in the country's oil and gas industry – a move many see as undermining national pride, Pew reported.

    In welcoming the Mexican president, Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown told a Hispanic audience that they were all welcome in California regardless of their legal status. Latinos comprise 19.2 percent of the state's voters, the Times reported.

    Meanwhile, Breitbart News said 33.7 million people of Mexican ancestry lived in the United States in 2012 including 11.4 million who were born in Mexico. Mexicans accounted for 64 percent of the U.S. Hispanic population in 2012 and approximately 28 percent of all foreign-born residents.

    The Pew poll was conducted between April 21 and May 2, 2014 and has a margin of 4 percentage points.


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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    Okie52, do you have a problem with us becoming more like Mexico or Central/South America?
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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    Okie52, do you have a problem with us becoming more like Mexico or Central/South America?
    I can't imagine any finer countries to model the US after....I just don't know why those from south of the border would ever want to leave those paradises.

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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    I can't imagine any finer countries to model the US after....I just don't know why those from south of the border would ever want to leave those paradises.
    We are headed rapidly in that direction as government policies increase entitlement dependency and expand the growing income/wealth divide between the rich and poor.
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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    With current immigration policy and enforcment...just a matter of time...

    Muhammad Is Now Britain's Most Popular Baby Boy Name

    Britain's most popular baby boy name offers a revealing look into it's growing Muslim population. More than 8,000 boys born last year were named some variation of Muhammad. The United Kingdom's Office of National Statistics declared Oliver as the top pick of 2013 with 6,949 boys sporting the name. However a closer look at the complete list showed that parents selected several spellings of Muhammad for their sons, making the Muslim prophet's name more popular.

    There are 18 variations of Muhammad featured on the 2013 list of baby boy names. The most common variations were Muhammad, with 3,499 namesakes, Mohammed,,with 2,887, and Mohammad, with 1,059.

    This revelation is a reflection of the estimated 3 million Muslims now living in Great Britain.

    Pakistan, the world's second most populous Muslim country, is the number four country of origin for Britain's non-U.K. born resident population. Additionally nearly 5 percent of the population are followers of Islam, making it the nation's second largest religion after Christianity.
    http://www.christianpost.com/news/mu...y-name-125039/

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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    at least the Mexicans are Christian, right?

    just think, Jesus could be the most popular baby boy name someday!

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    but in response to the "study", this number just doesn't pass the smell test:

    , "This contribution to the aggregate economy, however, does not measure the net benefit to the native-born population." This is because 97.8 percent of the increase in GDP goes to the immigrants themselves in the form of wages and benefits.2
    they don't pay rent, buy gas or food? i'm supposed to believe that all of the people they work for don't make any extra money by hiring cheaper labor?

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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    Yermom, who do you think the illegal immigrants are competing with in terms of jobs and government services? Hint: it's not the average upper middle class or rich American.
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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    dey took err jerbs!

    at least if they were legal they could pay into the social security ponzi scheme like the rest of us

    how much state and federal assistance do they really get? it's not like they can get out of paying sales tax

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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by yermom View Post
    at least the Mexicans are Christian, right?

    just think, Jesus could be the most popular baby boy name someday!
    Jesus only rates #6 with Mexicans.

    http://www.babycenter.com/0_most-com...30_10341179.bc

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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    Quote Originally Posted by yermom View Post
    dey took err jerbs!

    at least if they were legal they could pay into the social security ponzi scheme like the rest of us

    how much state and federal assistance do they really get? it's not like they can get out of paying sales tax
    Glad you recognize the ponzi scheme that is social Security. The illegals do much better for SS as illegals since many pay in with no chance of receiving benefits.

    Paying sales tax makes them viable? The top 50% that pay federal and state income taxes will be glad to hear this.

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    Re: Who Does Immigration Really Benefit?

    How can we go wrong with countless new democrat voters!
    Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.

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