Remember, last year, I think, when we had the long thread aboutOriginally Posted by olevetonahill
different experiences we all had with unions? By and large, I agree
with you...
Remember, last year, I think, when we had the long thread about
different experiences we all had with unions? By and large, I agree
with you...
How is this taking a specific subject and blanket it across a wide group? Look at the data of pay for ceo's and the what this thread is about 23% lower pay for new jobs than the jobs that were lost. You can't argue the point so you bitch about how I present it.No one with any sense is arguing anything different, that is what i pointed out when I posted it was at 12% in 2001-02 which was a much shallower recession. We lost so many jobs it will take years to gain them back and wages to return, but I feel like you say above, businesses are getting use to having fewer employees and making them more productive. What galls me is the difference in how pay for executives vs. workers is handled. Huge raises and bonuses for management, CEO's and board members, but try to get the minimum wage raised to $10.10 an hour and people act like your breaking into fort knox.
Yup, I been on both sides of the deal , Bout the only thing Unions are good for now is corrupt union bosses
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If God wanted Men to look women in the eyes, He wouldnt have gave em Boobs !
How about this ignorant sweeping statement? Unions Suck donkey dick. Of course you agree with it so you don't bitch about it.
Unions have outlived their usefulness. They were a good idea in the 50's to the 70's, but now...not so much.
Well run companies take care of their employees...PERIOD. If anyone thinks for a minute that the UAW didn't have a hand in the auto industry crash...well, you are a fool.
With the birth and growth of Human Resources in just about every company...employees do not have the same issues they had in the past...and a company that succeeds over the long term...takes great care of their valuable employees. I personally think that the employees that have such a great desire to belong to a union...are substandard performers (not all, but many)
Unions should be a thing of the past...and I think in the future...they will be a distant memory.
What he^ said
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If God wanted Men to look women in the eyes, He wouldnt have gave em Boobs !
I don't know look at all the great things that gov't unions have done for the Country as well as for States and Cities --------Well maybe not
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If God wanted Men to look women in the eyes, He wouldnt have gave em Boobs !
The last company I worked for before retiring conducted seminars
for its management staff on how to spot organizers and coached
on how to respond to union attempts to organize, correct answers
to employee questions, the veracity of union claims, etc. even so
far as to point out the exact locations where organizers were allowed
to stand. Some companies go so far as to close "underperforming"
stores to keep the unions out.
Sooner in Tampa is spot on. The unions were useful early on, helping
to protect workers from literal abusive employers, creating 40 hour
work week, integrating health benefits into employee packages, etc.
Now, it appears that most "unionizing" is only to increase the dues
pool, although I have seen once in a while where an existing union
highlighted some employer wrongdoings and protected their members,
but it doesn't happen often....
I have been in a few manufacturing facilities that I would never work for without a union...the management groups in those locations would have been an overbearing dictatorship without a union....I was shocked at the way management treated the union and the way the union treated management....
I had been in one place for about a month and decided to sit in on a counseling session..I can't remember the offense but the guy was going to get a couple days off without pay...
The meeting starts off with the Division Manager, James G., going over the details of the transgression....
Union argues about being unfair and not being consistent....
James G, and arrogant and aggressive piece of **** gets upset about the union bucking up to him....
Things get heated...they call each other every name in the book (and a few I had never heard before)
I stand up and tell em all to settle down and get back on topic...
Union man says screw that...he states that he hates James G so much he named his dog James and every day after work he kicks the **** out of it....
All the union members got up and walked out....
As far as minimum wage you can take it up to 10 bucks...it will have a minimal impact on retail prices in most industry....I am sure it will have a negative affect on job creation though I believe it too will have a small impact....
Our biggest problem is we have far too many low skilled workers...far too much supply so the employers have no reason to raise pay or benefits...
Unions often look silly, greedy and anti-competitive when they are not needed.
I ran into this when I was at a trade show in NYC and I picked up a rubber
mallet to help adjust my company's booth during setup. Union guys that saw
that and threatened to leave if I didn't drop the mallet. But it makes it
easy to forget why unions exist in the first place. Unions or some
other mechanism was desperately needed to improve working conditions.
And if all the union busting activities succeed, I guarantee working
conditions will degrade again for some class of worker because
competition creates silent pressure to do so. Unions are bad when
they have too much power just as employers do bad things when
workers have too little leverage. There needs to be a healthy equilibrium.
Public employee unions are holding back California.
Ingles solamente (¡no exepciones!)
Largest company I worked for was ATT. I have never in my life seen a company that the employees hated the company and the company hated the employees. Every rule the company mandated seemed to be nothing but spite toward the employee and the employees did everything they could to spite the company. IMO, the unions are no longer there for the employee, they are there for the dues.
OleVet Posse Instigator
My FIL told me a story about working in the chemical plants in WV. He said one night a manager got caught riding in a cushman cart that had a pair of channel locks in the back of it. The foreman went and told on him for having a wrench in his cushman. The manager was sent home for the night and one of the foremans workers got paid OT for the 12 hour shift because of it. **** like that is how the unions ****ed up.
OleVet Posse Instigator
Yep, we've all hit those. And I'm not pro-Union per se, I just know there needs to
be a balance of power between employer/employees and unions have been
effective in many cases. I don't think government imposed labor laws would
do it because wealthy folks that own the companies will just buy enough
congressmen to dilute the laws over time.
BTW, my first job was at ATT too. As a programmer, I rarely showed up
before 9am. We had a union shop on site and during union contract negotiations,
my boss would make me show up before 8am as working hours were part of
the contract and us carefree programmers were not supposed to set a bad
example. 8am!? The horror.
Like I said Ive been on both sides of this deal. I was a Teamster for years, If I wanted to work and make the Big bucks I not only had to Share my Good pay with the Union in Dues But also had to accidentally drop a few 100s a week in the Business managers office. Then it was a Night mare on the job.
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If God wanted Men to look women in the eyes, He wouldnt have gave em Boobs !
Don't you think that Unions, with forced dues, buy enough Congressmen to dilute the laws over time too?
The Union bosses been buyin and swayin votes for years
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If God wanted Men to look women in the eyes, He wouldnt have gave em Boobs !
Nah just $100,000,000 in 2010. And that is just a few of the unions
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/08/afl-cio/
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