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    O'Bannon decision signals the end of the collegiate model

    This is very interesting and frankly very disturbing.

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    O'Bannon decision signals the end of the collegiate model

    Dennis Dodd / CBSSports.com
    August 08, 2014 08:30 PM


    Many concepts of amateurism the NCAA holds dear are soon to be a thing of the past. (USATSI)
    More: O'Bannon news | On CFB: Dennis Dodd | Jeremy Fowler | Jon Solomon

    The collegiate model is dead. The only amateur system of its kind in the world is kaput.

    It doesn't matter if there are stipulations or that Friday's shocking O’Bannon ruling is somehow interpreted as "NCAA friendly." That’s not the point. The point is that the NCAA said the sky would fall if this day ever came.

    In Indianapolis, the forecast was cloudy with a chance of total collapse at 700 W. Washington St. But the only thing falling was the archaic concepts held dear at that home address of the NCAA.

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    O'Bannon judge rules NCAA violates antitrust law
    A federal judge in Northern California ruled in the rancorous five-year O'Bannon suit to allow football and basketball players to have as much as $20,000 waiting for them at the end of their eligibility.

    Those players -- the judge further ruled -- deserved to be compensated for their names, image and likeness in the media. For decades the NCAA not only capitalized on those NILs but forbade players from seeing any of the money themselves while in school.

    Now, the schools – the NCAA's membership lifeblood – are going to have to pay -- more. The judge capped that per-year trust fund money at $5,000. Combine that with Thursday’s ruling on autonomy, and various players will be able to be compensated up to $40,000 by the time they leave school. (Cost of attendance, approximate $5,000 max x 4 + NIL trust, $5,000 max x 4 = $40,000.)

    The NCAA will no doubt spin this as some sort of "win" after fully reading the decision (and a couple of stiff drinks). There will be an appeal. Of course, there be will an appeal. The Supreme Court may one day rule against it. But a seal has been broken.

    Players can be paid, and we can't turn back from here.

    "I'm literally crying," said the man who helped organize the plaintiffs, "I'm in heaven."

    That would be Sonny Vaccaro, the one-time, big-time shoe marketer who had the germ of an idea that blossomed into Friday's decision. Good for those who believed that the strict, byzantine collegiate model was outdated and not worth defending.

    Bad for the NCAA which defended it all these decades.

    Either way, Friday may have been the most historic day in NCAA history.

    "This puts things in chaos," said a person with intimate knowledge of NCAA dealings in this case, "for a period of years."

    Start with Title IX. The ruling is limited to football and basketball players. Some civil rights lawyer or another will be wanting an equal piece for women. That is a given. And that is fair.

    From the looks of things, only the elite of the elite financial institutions will be able to afford such an expense. Schools are already on the hook for cost of attendance to be implemented beginning with the 2015-16 school year. That was the big news Thursday in the formal approval of autonomy.

    Oh yes, players will be paid. Whether it's during school with a stipend or after school with cold, hard licensing cash doesn't matter. The NCAA has fought against facing this day for years. This decision goes against everything the association stands for.

    Asked specifically by plaintiffs attorneys in June about the concept of "deferred compensation" for athletes, Mark Emmert said, "It's the same whether you're paid today or paid tomorrow. ... To convert college sports into professional sports would be tantamount to converting it to minor-league sports."

    By Emmert’s definition, NCAA sports just turned pro.

    In an ultimate irony, an organization that fights so hard against recruits being paid under the table on the front end will have to pay them legally on the back end. And if the whole thing goes through as presented Friday, look for another round of mind-bending, tradition-crushing conference realignment.

    The elite of the elite will cluster together.

    The underpinnings of the NCAA were based -- in part -- on a 1950s ruling against a player whose widow claimed he died from head injuries playing college football. Back then the term "student-athlete" was a contrived, NCAA-sponsored term adopted to combat Ray Dennison's workman's compensation claim.

    The NCAA disagreed and eventually prevailed.

    Welcome, then, to the official age of the athlete-student.

    That leaves me wondering: What is the worth of the NCAA going forward?

    It puts on a heck of basketball tournament, distributes the money. It sets the play and practice rules, but that's about it. It runs an enforcement division that is going to be under scrutiny in autonomy. Its legal standing, though, just slipped into the muck.

    Fifteen years ago, the NCAA fought to the death an antitrust challenge after it capped the salaries of assistant coaches. It lost, resulting in what was then the largest legal setback in the association's history.

    Then, as now, the NCAA could have settled saving everyone from costly upheaval.

    Next up on the docket: A rash of lawsuits calling for an open market that would pay players (further) dot the landscape.

    All of the battles went to defending that collegiate model, the only one like it on earth. It allows commissioners and coaches to rake in millions, while the unpaid labor force puts its bodies on the line.

    Somewhere along the line, the NCAA lost the discussion. Not just the argument, the entire discussion. If you don't get the "labor force" reference – the NCAA hates it by the way -- then why is autonomy referred to as "student-athlete welfare"? That alone implies there was a lack of welfare.

    The NCAA is caught somewhere between being benevolent Big Brother and losing its grip on that membership.

    Some maintain the NCAA will eventually morph into a sort of Olympic model where athletes are able to earn money while in school. Does that professionalize them? It certainly didn't professionalize those cuddly figure skaters and heroic Olympic sprinters who worm their way into our hearts every couple of years.

    All of this was inevitable. The NCAA has been woefully slow to change. Six years ago, a confidential white paper was distributed to the association's board of directors, according to a source. It was meant to be an exploratory discussion into obtaining an antitrust exemption from the federal government.

    While the odds were probably as long as they are now, Congress is interested. Some may suggest intrusive.

    A tipping point came about three years ago when a common-sense stipend ($2,000 per year) was passed under the NCAA's old legislative system. Enough of the 351 Division I rebelled causing an override vote. They couldn't afford $2,000 a year, so that common-sense measure died a cold, heartless death.

    That's when those Power 5 commissioners had enough. It was time to recognize who really ran things in the NCAA. And if you couldn't keep up, too bad for you.

    "We are the ones making the money and carrying the liability," Texas AD Steve Patterson said. "The others don't make any money. Nobody wants to watch them on TV. I don't accept the argument that you have to have total socialism."

    So much for collegiality. Patterson may be the new, bottom-line, arrogant, face of college athletics. This is the same guy who said this week at a Big 12 college athletics forum the sky is falling -- sound familiar? -- if athletes are paid. This from a career NBA/NFL/minor-league hockey bureaucrat who currently runs the richest athletic department in the country ($175 million in revenue).

    What, you can't share some of that, Steve-o? It's a bit hypocritical. Your football/basketball players are being asked to play for nothing while producing revenue to be shared by the university.

    But on Friday, the whole thing flipped. The collegiate model died.
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    Re: O'Bannon decision signals the end of the collegiate model

    Not surprised at all.

    I'm all for the proposed "cost of attendance" increase for players, but I am still against paying for play.

    The good news is the P5 will get autonomy may stay ahead of this tidal-wave, the bad news is that it's not a good time to be a fan of a small program (outside of the P5).

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    Re: O'Bannon decision signals the end of the collegiate model

    this is the one that all started with EA Sports, right?

    they sure like cashing checks while pretending that the numbers on jerseys aren't someone's likeness. give me a break.

    something had to change there. it just didn't make sense

    but yeah, it's not the OU's of the world that this will cause problems for.

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    This is awesome. The NCAA is so full of **** and they're sorta getting taken to task here. The power 5 can make all the rules they want, but they still have to abide by this latest decision, if it holds up through appeals.
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    Re: O'Bannon decision signals the end of the collegiate model

    It's a haves vs have nots thing. The NCAA is made up of its members. it's just that the have not schools have, for a long while, ruled the roost. The Power 5 have finally threatened to take their ball and go do their own thing....and suddenly it's apparent that the have nots don't have any way to stop them.
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    Re: O'Bannon decision signals the end of the collegiate model

    If they didn't want to be a big money operation they shouldn't have continually jacked up TV rights, ticket prices, coaching salaries, concession costs, the quality and number of athletic facilities...

    Demand justified the cost? That's what the players say too

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    Re: O'Bannon decision signals the end of the collegiate model

    It's not the end of the world. The power 5 move on into a new world of quasi-pro ball. Everyone else continues in a more traditional mold. I went to a Div 3 school undergrad. We had a football team that would not have beaten several high school teams here in Oklahoma. Its a different game. Still very entertaining, much more old school and 'family'. We had two guys in four years go pro. Both to NFL Europe. The players carried their own equipment and cleaned up the sidelines after games. (the fans tended to stay behind and help out; including the visitors) Games were regularly delayed because the Dean's dumb *** bird dog would get loose and run around on the field until captured. Not a bad thing, just very different.
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    Re: O'Bannon decision signals the end of the collegiate model

    This is completely unfair for the athletes of women's sports and the smaller sports. So because those athletes who work just as hard in their sport and studies and everything else, sometimes harder, don't play basketball or football, they get nothing extra.

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    Re: O'Bannon decision signals the end of the collegiate model

    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerForLife92 View Post
    This is completely unfair for the athletes of women's sports and the smaller sports. So because those athletes who work just as hard in their sport and studies and everything else, sometimes harder, don't play basketball or football, they get nothing extra.
    This of course is gonna be the inevitable backlash, and I really don't know how it'll play out. It's gonna be an interesting ride.
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    Yes, they get nothing extra. If the college finds it worth it for some reason, they get a schollie. Meantime, they get coaching and the opportunity to play a sport they love at a higher level.
    Look, my Div 3 undergrad had NO schollies. For any sport. Period. You liked a sport? You went out and, if you made the team, you played. Pure amateurism. You got equipment, coaching, trainers and the same infirmary care the rest of the students got. You ate in the dining hall. In the veggie room if you were that concerned about nutrition Glorified high school.

    We had mens football, baseball, water polo, wrestling mens/womens rugby, soccer, basketball, swimming, lacrosse, crew, track, tennis, cross country, skiing, gymnastics, fencing, squash, hockey and women's softball...that I can remember. Much like high school, if you wanted to play, you pretty much got to play. Usually in front of a couple hundred friends/family.
    Not big time sport, but why is that an entitlement? Maybe if you can't make a P5 conference it is time you recognized that you are simply not that good and continue on for love of your sport rather than for 'the extras'.
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    Re: O'Bannon decision signals the end of the collegiate model

    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerForLife92 View Post
    This is completely unfair for the athletes of women's sports and the smaller sports. So because those athletes who work just as hard in their sport and studies and everything else, sometimes harder, don't play basketball or football, they get nothing extra.
    They get nothing because they bring in nothing. Its not how hard you work, its how valuable your product is. If you live in the real world and have a job this doesn't need to be explained to you.
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    Re: O'Bannon decision signals the end of the collegiate model

    Quote Originally Posted by Ton Loc View Post
    They get nothing because they bring in nothing. Its not how hard you work, its how valuable your product is. If you live in the real world and have a job this doesn't need to be explained to you.
    While I totally agree with this, it's still gonna be interesting how it plays out in regard to these lesser sports. Because you know they're not just gonna accept the explanation: you bring in nothing, so you get nothing.
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    Re: O'Bannon decision signals the end of the collegiate model

    Quote Originally Posted by Ton Loc View Post
    They get nothing because they bring in nothing. Its not how hard you work, its how valuable your product is. If you live in the real world and have a job this doesn't need to be explained to you.
    The second anyone with NCAA says it's a job then it's all over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ton Loc View Post
    They get nothing because they bring in nothing. Its not how hard you work, its how valuable your product is. If you live in the real world and have a job this doesn't need to be explained to you.
    This isn't the work world these are students.

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    Re: O'Bannon decision signals the end of the collegiate model

    Quote Originally Posted by Curly Bill View Post
    While I totally agree with this, it's still gonna be interesting how it plays out in regard to these lesser sports. Because you know they're not just gonna accept the explanation: you bring in nothing, so you get nothing.
    And what I don't get is why that's so bad. If a person wants to play soccer, get 21 friends, find a field and play soccer. It's kind of like the people who walk to the start of the running trail, or worse, drive there. What's wrong with stepping out your front door and starting to run? Might not be so fashionable, but it's the same running, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KantoSooner View Post
    And what I don't get is why that's so bad. If a person wants to play soccer, get 21 friends, find a field and play soccer. It's kind of like the people who walk to the start of the running trail, or worse, drive there. What's wrong with stepping out your front door and starting to run? Might not be so fashionable, but it's the same running, no?
    Running from your front door on sidewalks streets and concrete... Is not the same thing as going to a trail.... Also where can I gather together 21 friends to play soccer where we all get an education, food, and housing for four years?

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    Re: O'Bannon decision signals the end of the collegiate model

    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerForLife92 View Post
    This is completely unfair for the athletes of women's sports and the smaller sports. So because those athletes who work just as hard in their sport and studies and everything else, sometimes harder, don't play basketball or football, they get nothing extra.
    The same could be said for U.S. Olympians who are not on the heavily televised sports or that don't have pro leagues. But, like those who can call themselves U.S. Olympians, OU non-revenue sports can also associate with their more famous and wealthy counterparts and in some ways be viewed as equals. You're Olympians, we're Olympians. You're Sooners, we're Sooners.

    The relationship has been beneficial to non-revenues for decades. They also get Nike uniforms, they also get fancy new athlete housing and training facilities, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger View Post
    The same could be said for U.S. Olympians who are not on the heavily televised sports or that don't have pro leagues. But, like those who can call themselves U.S. Olympians, OU non-revenue sports can also associate with their more famous and wealthy counterparts and in some ways be viewed as equals. You're Olympians, we're Olympians. You're Sooners, we're Sooners.

    The relationship has been beneficial to non-revenues for decades. They also get Nike uniforms, they also get fancy new athlete housing and training facilities, etc.
    Well of course. I should have stated that better. By anything extra I meant extra money. They are all lucky to even be able to get an education, much less the other stuff. However the football players already get more benefits besides actually making money, and I don't think other athletes will, or should, take kindly to them being able to make money along with that. I don't like the NCAA taking all those likenesses profits, but it's possible to find a better way to deal with it.

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    Re: O'Bannon decision signals the end of the collegiate model

    Quote Originally Posted by badger View Post
    The same could be said for U.S. Olympians who are not on the heavily televised sports or that don't have pro leagues. But, like those who can call themselves U.S. Olympians, OU non-revenue sports can also associate with their more famous and wealthy counterparts and in some ways be viewed as equals. You're Olympians, we're Olympians. You're Sooners, we're Sooners.

    The relationship has been beneficial to non-revenues for decades. They also get Nike uniforms, they also get fancy new athlete housing and training facilities, etc.
    Not really anymore. The USOC pays for medaling at the Olympics. It's the same payout, regardless of the sport. They are also free to find sponsors now too. It wasn't that long ago that they couldn't be paid at all, but that was changed. I'd bet the majority of Olympians are receiving income from some source.

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