http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...acare-bailout/
It appears so. Guaranteeing Big Insurance big profits at the expense of the tax payers.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...acare-bailout/
It appears so. Guaranteeing Big Insurance big profits at the expense of the tax payers.
Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.
So what happened to fox calling him a socialist? They and you can't seem to keep your insults straight.Originally Posted by FaninAma
Just another part of the big Obamacare lie that was sold-----Why does this surprise anyone
Even the republicans used words like could and potentially, but you guys just ran to your front closet and got your pickforks and torches out and took to the streets.
He's just proving his genius rating in economics.
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
Not inconsistent at all. Some of the world's biggest socialists are also some of the world's biggest crony capitalists. See Putin and his oligarchy of Russian billionaires. China is the same. Hitler was a huge socialist and a huge crony capitalist. The term for that style of government is corporate fascism.
Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.
Fascism and Socialism are alike in that they need authoritarian government to perform their objectionable and unfair acts.
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
Exactly. But there is always a favored small oligarchic class that becomes very wealthy at the expense of the tax payers and peasants like us.
Sooner8th is so blinded by his partisan vitriol and dislike of small-government conservatives that he fails to see that big-government socialistic policies enable a massive wealth transfer from the middle class to the favored corporations via crony capitalism. It amazes me how the left fails to see that the biggest beneficiaries from massive government spending are the large banks and large corporations. The base of the GOP is at least starting to wake up and see what organizations like the national Chamber of Commerce are really all about.
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Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.
There are so many similarities between socialism and fascism/crony capitalism, especially the need for out of control, outlaw authoritarian government, to take effect.
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
The Media and their like minded help in academia and entertainment have got conservatives so beaten down and scared sh*tless that they are afraid to defend themselves against baseless and intentionally misleading attacks. The democrats own and control the country now.
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
Hitler was a huge socialist? Just because the word socialist was in the party name? This is proof how ignorant you are. Hitler was a FASCIST. Claiming hitler was a socialist totally destroys what little credibility you had.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA TOO ****ING FUNNY!!!
Your dumbass doesn't even know who completely owns the chamber of commerce! c of c is doing their bidding for them. I don't dislike "small-government conservatives" it's that you people are ignorant and stupid lemmings who jumped on board with something you don't understand. Then when anyone calls you out on the lies you guys buy into hook line and sinker you all get all belligerent and call me names and say i'm blowing obama. No facts or data can show you how you are wrong.
Such Theater! BRAVISIMO, 8th!
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
8th = Turing test, albeit a bad one....
You guys don't even know the basic differences between socialism and fascism and you are just embarrassing yourselves and you don't even know it.
You could give us your definitions of both, in order to allow us to enter the enlightened world.
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
Whatever you say Bob!
http://www2.lawrence.edu/sorg/OBJECTIVISM/SOCFASC.HTML
The reason for which the Social Democrats were so passive was not a mere inability to practice their principles consistently. It was, instead, a matter of the logical import of their principles. As Dr. Peikoff notes: "The republicans in every political party and group were in the same position: more and more, the contradictions involved in their views were leaving these men lifeless, and even speechless. They could hardly praise freedom very eloquently, not while they themselves, like everyone else, were insisting on further statist measures to cope with the economic crisis" (222-223).
To the extent that any of these political groups did clash in Weimar Germany, the clashes were not over matters of principle. They were of the variety of conflict seen most often in inner city America, where rival gangs fight over turf, over such trivial difference as the color of clothing worn by the other gang. In the end, whoever happens to win is a pointless consideration. The result is the same: blood in the streets.
As for the conflict between the Nazis and the USSR, one need only recall the Hitler-Stalin pact of 1937, in which the two powers agreed to divide up Eastern Europe together. Hitler and Stalin apparently had no problem in principle with working together to exterminate freedom in peaceful nations.
In case anyone still doubts the fact that there was no difference in princple between the fascists and the socialists, consider the following revealing quotations from various infamous Nazis and other fascists:
We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunities for employment and earning a living.
The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and for the good of all. Therefore, we demand:...an end to the power of the financial interests.
We demand profit sharing in big business.
We demand a broad extension of care for the aged.
We demand...the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state and municipal governments.
In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education...We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents...
The government must undertake the improvement of public health -- by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth.
[We] combat the...materialistic spirit withn and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good .
(Nazi party platform adopted at Munich, February 24, 1920;Der Nationalsozialismus Dokumente 1933-1945, edited by Walther Hofer, Frankfurt am Main: Fischer Bucherei, 1957, pp. 29-31).
It is thus necessary that the individual should finally come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole...that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual....This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture....The basic attitude form which such activity arises, we call -- to distinguish it from egoism and selfishness -- idealism. By this we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men.
(Adolf Hitler speaking at Bueckeburg, Oct. 7, 1933; The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-39, ed. N.H. Baynes (2 vols., Oxford, 1942), I, 871-72; translation Professor George Reisman.)
Beware the man who would rule you for your own good. He will never cease. He will regulate every aspect of your life, destroy your liberty and enslave you, and sleep well convinced that he has made the world a better place.
Yep, a very bad attempt at a turing test...
Still a fascist. You just don't get it.
You asked for it.....so here it is.
socialism and fascism are very similar, but there are key differences. The primary one is private ownership. In socialism there is none, it all belongs to the state and the government dictates with is produced at all times. In fascism there is private ownership. But the government can dictate what they produce - which doesn't mean they do at all times. See Nazi Germany - fascist and USSR - socialist. Fascists are ultra nationalists, socialists are not.
fascism: "A governmental system with strong centralized power, permitting no opposition or criticism, controlling all affairs of the nation (industrial, commercial, etc.)" (American College Dictionary, New York: Random House, 1957)
socialism: "a theory or system of social organization which advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means or production, capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole" (American College Dictionary)
Now you can't vacillate between calling obama a socialist and a fascist. You just pick the one that fits the argument of the day. One day he is a socailist then when it is convenient his is a "crony" capitalist. Make up your mind which he is.
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