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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by dwarthog View Post
    Please provide the graphs or charts etc. that show specifically how the change of 8.6% on the top bracket in our progressive tax system directly resulted in a GDP of 3.6%.

    Also, show how the Fed raising raising the rate to 9.75% to combat inflation prior to H.W. taking office didn't affect his GDP.

    Additionally, please show how the Fed lowering the rate after Clinton was in office to 4% then 3% didn't affect the GDP rates.

    Thanks.
    Funny how you ask for proof when we disagree but you don't feel the need to prove anything.

    The question was Show me an economy of any country that has been helped by higher taxes and more regulation------Just show one example

    I showed that raising taxes don't kill the economy. Get it?

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    ----You are such an ***
    And you are a dumbass.

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    ----You are such an ***
    You never answered these questions.

    Let me ask you this - do debit ceiling fights grow the economy?

    Does cutting government spending grow the economy?

    Does cuttin' taxes to the wealthy grow the economy?

    So much better than the guy you voted for TWICE. I'd go with us next time.

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post
    Funny how you ask for proof when we disagree but you don't feel the need to prove anything.

    The question was Show me an economy of any country that has been helped by higher taxes and more regulation------Just show one example

    I showed that raising taxes don't kill the economy. Get it?
    Ah, I get it now.

    A tax increase that impacts <1% of tax payers and generated minimal revenue has no impact.

    Well played!

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by dwarthog View Post
    Ah, I get it now.

    A tax increase that impacts <1% of tax payers and generated minimal revenue has no impact.

    Well played!
    WOW TOO ****ING FUNNY - I just tied you up in a knot to where you just admitted raisin' taxes on "job creators" has no impact! If you believe that why are you voting republican? That was your party's economic "plan" the last election.

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post
    WOW TOO ****ING FUNNY - I just tied you up in a knot to where you just admitted raisin' taxes on "job creators" has no impact! If you believe that why are you voting republican? That was your party's economic "plan" the last election.
    Dude, put down the vaseline and stop the self flagellation.

    You just proved that taking an action which does nothing, has neither a positive or negative impact.

    Now go back and answer the question re high taxes across the board, on all tax brackets, instead of picking out a symbolic action as proof.

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by dwarthog View Post
    Dude, put down the vaseline and stop the self flagellation.

    You just proved that taking an action which does nothing, has neither a positive or negative impact.

    Now go back and answer the question re high taxes across the board, on all tax brackets, instead of picking out a symbolic action as proof.
    So NOW your party's primary "economic" policy raisin' taxes on job creators" is symbolic?

    Now you want to change the question. I just proved raising tax rates on the "job creators" does not hurt the economy.

    Now show me where raising taxes hurts.

    Facts and data with links.
    Last edited by Sooner8th; 7/30/2014 at 02:47 PM.

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post
    So NOW your party's primary "economic" policy raisin' taxes on job creators" is symbolic?

    Now you want to change the question. I just proved raising tax rates on the "job creators" does not hurt the economy.

    Now show me where raising taxes hurts.

    Facts and data with links.
    Dude the first mention of job creator was you, not me.

    You need to back off on the self flagellation, you're damn near blind.

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post
    Finally the right question - what he favors is lowering tax rates WHILE closing loop holes. The president also proposes using one-time revenue-raisers to support new “investments such
    as modernizing our infrastructure; creating new manufacturing hubs; and training our workers. In the long-term, the plan is revenue-neutral. Which, of course does not make him a supply sider.
    http://www.americansfortaxfairness.o...eform-Plan.pdf
    He should have used nearly unlimited stimulus money to modernize our infrastructure, create new manufacturing hubs, and train our workers....

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    He should have used nearly unlimited stimulus money to modernize our infrastructure, create new manufacturing hubs, and train our workers....
    I agree, but he was trying to work with republicans and get them to vote on it so he made 36% of it tax cuts and still got only 3 votes in both houses - all 3 in the senate.

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post
    I agree, but he was trying to work with republicans and get them to vote on it so he made 36% of it tax cuts and still got only 3 votes in both houses - all 3 in the senate.
    He had 3 trillion dollars....three trillion...and that doesn't include the bond buybacks of several more trillion...

    About a quarter went to TARP
    Almost half in tax cuts
    Almost a quarter in actual stimulus...9% of total went to infrastructure...
    Fannie and Freddie ate up the rest...

    All of this happened early on when Congress was in panic mode...they were throwing more money around than me in a strip club...

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post
    I agree, but he was trying to work with republicans and get them to vote on it so he made 36% of it tax cuts and still got only 3 votes in both houses - all 3 in the senate.
    Interesting.

    I can't recall for sure, which party was the majority in both chambers during that time?

    Wasn't there a super majority in one of those chambers for a while too?

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by dwarthog View Post
    Interesting.

    I can't recall for sure, which party was the majority in both chambers during that time?

    Wasn't there a super majority in one of those chambers for a while too?
    We were trying to work with republicans. if you will remeber correctly - we had the majority for less than 60 days. You guys fought frankin for months even though you knew he was going to win just too keep us from having 60. And one of those was Lieberman who spoke at the republican convention.

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    He had 3 trillion dollars....three trillion...and that doesn't include the bond buybacks of several more trillion...

    About a quarter went to TARP
    Almost half in tax cuts
    Almost a quarter in actual stimulus...9% of total went to infrastructure...
    Fannie and Freddie ate up the rest...

    All of this happened early on when Congress was in panic mode...they were throwing more money around than me in a strip club...
    You are laughable. The $787 billion economic stimulus package was approved by Congress in February, 2009. You read the daily caller and regurgitated the "real" stimulus. Tarp was started under BUSH. Bond buyback stated under BUSH.

    No tarp funds in stimulus.

    Tax incentives Total: $288 billion

    Total health care spending: $155.1 billion

    Education Total: $100 billion

    Aid to low income workers, unemployed and retirees (including job training) Total: $82.2 billion

    Infrastructure Investment Total: $105.3 billion

    Water, sewage, environment, and public lands Total: $18 billion

    Government buildings and facilities Total: $7.2 billion

    Communications, information, and security technologies Total: $10.5 billion

    Energy Infrastructure Total: $21.5 billion

    Energy efficiency and renewable energy research and investment Total: $27.2 billion

    Housing Total: $14.7 billion

    Scientific research Total: $7.6 billion

    Other Total: $10.6 billion

    Tax cuts should have went to infrastructure.

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post
    We were trying to work with republicans. if you will remeber correctly - we had the majority for less than 60 days. You guys fought frankin for months even though you knew he was going to win just too keep us from having 60. And one of those was Lieberman who spoke at the republican convention.
    And Spector changed parties, so what.

    As usual, the point escapes you. You bemoan only getting "3" votes when it really didn't matter since the Dem's held majorities in both chambers for two years and a supermajority from July 8th 2009 when Stuart Smalley was sworn in until Feb 4th 2010 when Scott Brown was sworn in. Longer than 2 months.

    Here is exactly what the Dem's operational plan is.

    When in the majority, do nothing and blame the Republican's for being obstructionist for not doing every thing the Dem's want.

    When confronted with tough votes, continue to do nothing and blame inaction on inability to appease Republican's.

    When not in the majority, continue to do nothing but blame the Republican's for not being willing to work with them on their wonderful ideas. Find crying women and children to showcase Republican's evil behavior for the evening news cycles.

    When election cycle comes around, fire up the base by having all left wing outlets run stories on the evil Koch brothers to excite the faithful. Throw in Tea Party references to keep things at a fever pitch, but pace the flow as you don't want them burnt out when time to vote.



    Tiresome really...

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by dwarthog View Post
    And Spector changed parties, so what.

    As usual, the point escapes you. You bemoan only getting "3" votes when it really didn't matter since the Dem's held majorities in both chambers for two years and a supermajority from July 8th 2009 when Stuart Smalley was sworn in until Feb 4th 2010 when Scott Brown was sworn in. Longer than 2 months.

    Here is exactly what the Dem's operational plan is.

    When in the majority, do nothing and blame the Republican's for being obstructionist for not doing every thing the Dem's want.

    When confronted with tough votes, continue to do nothing and blame inaction on inability to appease Republican's.

    When not in the majority, continue to do nothing but blame the Republican's for not being willing to work with them on their wonderful ideas. Find crying women and children to showcase Republican's evil behavior for the evening news cycles.

    When election cycle comes around, fire up the base by having all left wing outlets run stories on the evil Koch brothers to excite the faithful. Throw in Tea Party references to keep things at a fever pitch, but pace the flow as you don't want them burnt out when time to vote.



    Tiresome really...
    You are right, i forgot about the interim guy, but you will remember byrd was sick the whole time, anyway that is all beside the point.

    You are right this is very tiresome. You and your complain bitterly that democrats wont work with you, when I show you that we tried you tell me we shouldnt have. When we do try to work with you by offering your parties own ideas you run from them like they are on fire - obamacare and cap and trade to name just two.

    Here is exactly what the pub's operational plan is.

    1. do exactly what limbaugh told you to do - use every legislative tactic available to thwart the presidents agenda.

    2. hope america fails

    3. do everything you can to make sure america fails

    4. blame democrats for not working with you on your own ideas

    5. call anything dems want socialism, fund raise off it and talk about freedom, guns and jesus in the next election.

    6. wait for the kochs to tell you want to do next

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Like I said----Never try and argue with a Fool

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    Like I said----Never try and argue with a Fool
    I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining to you why I'm right.

    If you want to have a real conversation about things, don't regurgitate talking points.

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    Re: Obama is a supply sider?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post
    You are right, i forgot about the interim guy, but you will remember byrd was sick the whole time, anyway that is all beside the point.

    You are right this is very tiresome. You and your complain bitterly that democrats wont work with you, when I show you that we tried you tell me we shouldnt have. When we do try to work with you by offering your parties own ideas you run from them like they are on fire - obamacare and cap and trade to name just two.

    Here is exactly what the pub's operational plan is.

    1. do exactly what limbaugh told you to do - use every legislative tactic available to thwart the presidents agenda.

    2. hope america fails

    3. do everything you can to make sure america fails

    4. blame democrats for not working with you on your own ideas

    5. call anything dems want socialism, fund raise off it and talk about freedom, guns and jesus in the next election.

    6. wait for the kochs to tell you want to do next
    Yawn....

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