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    Biden concedes "Hope and Change never happened"!!

    [QUOTE]Joe Biden Concedes: 'Hope and Change' Never Happened
    Wednesday, 16 Jul 2014 05:25 PM
    By Cathy Burke

    Vice President Joe Biden conceded Wednesday that the "hope and change" that he and President Barack Obama promised the nation in their 2008 campaign slogan never happened.

    Speaking at Generation Progress, a segment of the think tank Center for American Progress that is dedicated to student and youth advocacy, the vice president told the millennials that doesn't mean they should give up.

    "Look, folks, this is within our power to change," Biden said in remarks first posted by BuzzFeed.

    "Everybody says because we tried in '08 and it didn't happen, it's not possible. Wrong. We've gone through these periods before."

    He encouraged the young people to be the"drivers" of change.

    "But folks, this is totally within our power," he said. "Change. Change for the better is absolutely possible, and I believe it's close to inevitable, if you're the drivers of it."

    Republican House Speaker John Boehner wants to pursue a lawsuit against Obama for abuse of power — saying he failed to enforce, waived, or ignored laws dozens of times in healthcare, energy and foreign-policy decisions.

    At an impasse with Congress, the president has vowed to go it alone and make changes where he can by executive orders.

    The optimistic and popular "hope and change" campaign for Obama's first go-round in the White House was replaced in 2012 with a more ambiguous slogan: "Forward."

    It immediately lit up Twitter – mostly because of a social media push by Republicans to mock it, the International Business Times reported at the time.

    The Biden remarks were noted Wednesday by the Republican National Committee, which called the admission "huge":


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    I am Shocked----I think it has become "Change and Hope"

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREX View Post
    I am Shocked----I think it has become "Change and Hope"
    Naw, Its more like "Hope the country has some Change left" when Obammy leavs the whit house.
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    waiting for it to blamed on the pubs...
    How do you know if you get there, if you don't know where you are going?..oh and I had 1,713 post on the "other board"..I hate being a rookie again!

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    waiting for it to blamed on the pubs...
    Its W's fault Bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olevetonahill View Post
    Its W's fault Bro.
    Harry Reid, ***** *** leader who trusted the pubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post
    Harry Reid, ***** *** leader who trusted the pubs.
    What, You dont Like Harry? How about Nancy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by olevetonahill View Post
    What, You dont Like Harry? How about Nancy?
    Harry Reid is responsible for ****ing up our agenda. We, dems, could have taken control of politics for a very long time - see the depression - but he is a ****ing pu$$y. He first appointed a republican as the person who was going to determine whether or not a bill could be passed through reconciliation, that took any 55 vote passages off the table, everything had to go to 60. That lengthen out the stimulus package fight and gave 36% of it made up of tax cuts and lowered it to $742 billion. Second having to have 60 votes on health care we should have just passed medicare for all in a week and called it good. No year long fight and crying about death panels and taking my country back at town hall meetings -BTW where did all those town hall meeting go the republicans insisted we have? Now he still won't pull the trigger on eliminating filibusters. That idiot of a Senate Judiciary Chairman Leahy still has blue slips in place, where republicans are not allowing their OWN nominees through to be voted on.

    I LOVE Nancy Pelosi! She has a pair. Harry should learn from her.

    having a majority leader who barely win elections over terrible awful opponents is just stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post

    I LOVE Nancy Pelosi! She has a pair. Harry should learn from her.

    This Nancy?

    The day before the Democratic National Convention Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) went on Meet the Press and told Tom Brokaw:

    I’m, I’m, I’m investing in something I believe in. I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels. … These investments in wind, in solar and biofuels and focus on natural gas, these are the real alternatives.
    One would hope that Pelosi had studied up on the issue since then, but her comments after the House passed a bill codifying the ban on most of the Outer Continental Shelf shows she still does not. Pelosi told The Washington Post: “We’re not trying to give incentives to drill, we’re giving incentives to invest in renewables and natural gas that will take us where we need to go.”

    Again, where does Pelosi think natural gas comes from? If the government is “giving incentives” to natural gas, it is giving incentives to drill. That is how we get natural gas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post

    I LOVE Nancy Pelosi! She has a pair.
    This comes as no surprise, as you're both ignorant and have no balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Nice talking point from the The Heritage Foundation. LEMMING

    YES - that nancy, you have such a hardon for off shore drilling - let me help you out here. She said -
    I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels. … These investments in wind, in solar and biofuels and focus on natural gas, these are the real alternatives.
    She should have been clearer about it being alternative to oil and coal. I LOVE it when you people on the right take a misspeak dems and run with it. Tell me about rush limbaugh saying he wanted america to fail? Explain that away.

    You have such a hardon for off short drilling ban. Try to follow the chart.



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-gas-is-there/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post
    Nice talking point from the The Heritage Foundation. LEMMING

    YES - that nancy, you have such a hardon for off shore drilling - let me help you out here. She said -

    She should have been clearer about it being alternative to oil and coal. I LOVE it when you people on the right take a misspeak dems and run with it. Tell me about rush limbaugh saying he wanted america to fail? Explain that away.

    You have such a hardon for off short drilling ban. Try to follow the chart.



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-gas-is-there/
    8th, did you miss Nancy's followup comments that I already posted for you? Here, I'll post them again so you won't miss it.

    Pelosi told The Washington Post: “We’re not trying to give incentives to drill, we’re giving incentives to invest in renewables and natural gas that will take us where we need to go.”

    Now I'm not exactly sure how Nancy plans to produce NG if she doesn't drill but I'm sure she has got a handle on it.

    Your chart is very informative...of course it probably looks like the chart on US oil and ng reserves before fracking opened up many "non producing" fields in the US. The chart nor the source indicates (at least from what I saw) if any new charting using new 3d seismic was used in the OCS areas which would seem unlikely since these areas were banned for exporation for over the last 30 years.

    Nonetheless, had Clinton not vetoed drilling in ANWR in the 90s it would be producing 1,000,000 barrels of oil per day now. That equates to $100,000,000 a day or $36,500,000,000 a year from ANWR alone. It also shows that W was weak, too, because he should have followed up on it too when he had the congress to get it passed.

    And, if oil or gas isn't looking prospective in those areas offshore then an oil company isn't going to drill them so no sweat off of the government as they won't be out any money no matter what. But the country, government and the US taxpayers are missing out on the lease bonus money to be paid, the royalties to be earned, the tax revenues and jobs that would be generated by allowing exploration on the banned areas. The areas were open to exploration when Obama took office...until he closed them again.

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    Now I know this won't mean anything to you until you receive the DNCs seal of approval...but until that day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post


    Now I know this won't mean anything to you until you receive the DNCs seal of approval...but until that day...
    Changing the premise again, we were talking about area's that were open and closed to drilling. Stick to the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    8th, did you miss Nancy's followup comments that I already posted for you? Here, I'll post them again so you won't miss it.




    Now I'm not exactly sure how Nancy plans to produce NG if she doesn't drill but I'm sure she has got a handle on it.

    Your chart is very informative...of course it probably looks like the chart on US oil and ng reserves before fracking opened up many "non producing" fields in the US. The chart nor the source indicates (at least from what I saw) if any new charting using new 3d seismic was used in the OCS areas which would seem unlikely since these areas were banned for exporation for over the last 30 years.

    Nonetheless, had Clinton not vetoed drilling in ANWR in the 90s it would be producing 1,000,000 barrels of oil per day now. That equates to $100,000,000 a day or $36,500,000,000 a year from ANWR alone. It also shows that W was weak, too, because he should have followed up on it too when he had the congress to get it passed.

    And, if oil or gas isn't looking prospective in those areas offshore then an oil company isn't going to drill them so no sweat off of the government as they won't be out any money no matter what. But the country, government and the US taxpayers are missing out on the lease bonus money to be paid, the royalties to be earned, the tax revenues and jobs that would be generated by allowing exploration on the banned areas. The areas were open to exploration when Obama took office...until he closed them again.
    jjjjjjjjjjeeeeeeezzzzzzz READ THE POST. WOW - This report is of 2012, look at the amounts in area's that oil companies already have leased, isn't fracking more expensive than regular drilling?

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    8th...Obama has heard me and finally grasped the logic....

    Obama listens to Okie52 on Offshore Drilling

    Obama Opens Eastern Seaboard to Oil Exploration
    Saturday, 19 Jul 2014 12:05 AM


    The Obama administration is reopening the Eastern Seaboard to offshore oil and gas exploration, approving seismic surveys using sonic cannons that can pinpoint energy deposits deep beneath the ocean floor.

    Friday's announcement is the first real step toward what could be a transformation in coastal states, creating thousands of jobs to support a new energy infrastructure. But it dismayed environmentalists and people who owe their livelihoods to fisheries and tourism.

    The cannons create noise pollution in waters shared by whales, dolphins and turtles, sending sound waves many times louder than a jet engine reverberating through the deep every ten seconds for weeks at a time. Arguing that endangered species could be harmed was the environmental groups' best hope for extending a decades-old ban against drilling off the U.S. Atlantic coast.

    The U.S. Bureau of Ocean Energy Management acknowledged that thousands of sea creatures will be harmed even as it approved opening the outer continental shelf from Delaware to Florida to exploration. Energy companies need the data as they prepare to apply for drilling leases in 2018, when current congressional limits expire.

    "The bureau's decision reflects a carefully analyzed and balanced approach that will allow us to increase our understanding of potential offshore resources while protecting the human, marine, and coastal environments," acting BOEM Director Walter Cruickshank said in a statement.

    Sonic cannons are already used in the western Gulf of Mexico, off Alaska and in other offshore oil operations around the world. They are towed behind boats, sending down pulses of sound that reverberate beneath the sea floor and rebound to the surface. Hydrophones capture the results, which computers translate into high resolution, three-dimensional images.

    "It's like a sonogram of the Earth," said Andy Radford, a petroleum engineer at the American Petroleum Institute, an oil and gas trade association in Washington DC. "You can't see the oil and gas, but you can see the structures in the Earth that might hold oil and gas."

    The surveys also can map marine habitats and identify solid undersea flooring for wind energy turbines. But fossil fuel mostly funds this research, and corporations keep the data secret, disclosing it only to the government.

    "They paid for it, so I can see why they don't want to share. These things are not cheap," said John Jaeger, a University of Florida geology professor.

    Oil lobbyists say drilling for the estimated 4.72 billion barrels of recoverable oil and 37.51 trillion cubic feet of natural gas that lies beneath federal waters from Florida to Maine could generate $195 billion in investment and spending between 2017 and 2035, contributing $23.5 billion per year to the economy.

    These estimates describe the total amount of energy "technically recoverable" from the nation's outer continental shelf, but the Atlantic seabed from New Jersey through New England remains off limits for now. While some states have passed drilling bans, Virginia and the Carolinas asked for the surveys, bureau officials explained Friday.

    "I honestly feel we can go offshore and harvest the energy that's out there," said South Carolina state Sen Paul Campbell. "I think we're kind of foolish not to."

    In any case, the area to be mapped is farther offshore in federal waters, beyond the reach of state law.

    The sonic cannons are often fired continually for weeks or months, and multiple mapping projects may operate simultaneously. To get permits, companies will need to have whale-spotting observers onboard and do undersea acoustic tests to avoid nearby species. Certain habitats will be closed during birthing or feeding seasons.

    Still, underwater microphones have picked up blasts from these sonic cannons over distances of thousands of miles, and the constant banging — amplified in water by orders of magnitude — will be impossible for many species to avoid.

    Whales and dolphins depend on being able to hear their own much less powerful echolocation to feed, communicate and keep in touch with their family groups across hundreds of miles. Even fish and crabs navigate and communicate by sound, said Grant Gilmore, an expert on fish ecology in Vero Beach, Fla.

    "We don't know what the physiological effects are. It could be permanent hearing damage in many of these creatures just by one encounter with a high-energy signal," Gilmore said.

    More than 120,000 comments were sent to the government, which spent years developing these rules. The bureau's environmental impact study estimates that more than 138,000 sea creatures could be harmed, including nine of the world's remaining 500 north Atlantic right whales.

    These whales give birth and breed off the coast of Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas.

    "Once they can't hear -- and that's the risk that comes with seismic testing -- they are pretty much done for," said Katie Zimmerman, a spokeswoman for the South Carolina Coastal Conservation League based in Charleston, S.C.

    "Even if there were oil out there, do we really want that? Do we really want to see these offshore rigs set up?" she asked.

    By federal law, scientists can't approach marine mammals without following careful protocols, and yet this decision will pervade their environment with noise pollution that could have a long-term impact on their population, said Scott Kraus, a right whale expert at the John H. Prescott Marine Laboratory in Boston.

    "No one has been allowed to test anything like this on right whales," Kraus said. "(The Obama administration) has authorized a giant experiment on right whales that this country would never allow researchers to do."

    Some exploratory wells were drilled before the U.S. Atlantic seabed was closed to exploration in the 1980s, but they never produced much. The latest seismic technology should change that.

    "One thing we find is, the more you get out and drill and explore to confirm what you see in the seismic -- you end up finding more oil and gas than what you think is out there when you started," Radford said.


    More than 16 communities from Florida to New Jersey passed resolutions opposing or raising concerns about seismic testing and offshore drilling. In north Florida's St. Augustine Beach, tourism and fishing fuel the economy, and rare turtles come ashore to lay eggs.

    "Florida has already felt the devastating effects of an uncontrolled oil release with the Deepwater Horizon event of which cleanup efforts are still on-going," said John Morris, a county commissioner whose constituency includes the beach town. "Any oil spill, large or small, off the coast of St. Johns County, would greatly affect the county's economy."

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    As I said in our "discussion", more seismic mapping would be necessary to evaluate offshore prospects and their potential since the areas had been banned to exploration for over 30 years. I knew you wouldn't understand it but, at least after 5 years, Obama has seen the need to allow some of our offshore resources to be examined.

    You are now free to like offshore drilling as your master has approved it (well, at least the mapping anyway). It will be a 180 for you but, as you've shown in the past, that won't be a problem. We can both say "kudos" to Obama for allowing the mapping!!!! I know you are happy with this news!!!

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    8th...Obama has heard me and finally grasped the logic....

    Obama listens to Okie52 on Offshore Drilling



    As I said in our "discussion", more seismic mapping would be necessary to evaluate offshore prospects and their potential since the areas had been banned to exploration for over 30 years. I knew you wouldn't understand it but, at least after 5 years, Obama has seen the need to allow some of our offshore resources to be examined.

    You are now free to like offshore drilling as your master has approved it (well, at least the mapping anyway). It will be a 180 for you but, as you've shown in the past, that won't be a problem. We can both say "kudos" to Obama for allowing the mapping!!!! I know you are happy with this news!!!
    So what is you ****ing complaint? So....................since you didn't argue the chart you agree with it, that a vast, vast majority of the reserves are already under lease, so this whole time you are whining about the offshore being closed off to exploration to see if there are any more reserves out there.

    It shows you just want to whine about how obama is killing the oil industry.

    Calling him my master is laugh able - you are parroting every oil baron talking point on everything, you don't have to go look up what they say because you WORK for them. I don't work for obama. Point made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post
    So what is you ****ing complaint? So....................since you didn't argue the chart you agree with it, that a vast, vast majority of the reserves are already under lease, so this whole time you are whining about the offshore being closed off to exploration to see if there are any more reserves out there.

    It shows you just want to whine about how obama is killing the oil industry.

    Calling him my master is laugh able - you are parroting every oil baron talking point on everything, you don't have to go look up what they say because you WORK for them. I don't work for obama. Point made.
    You don't work for Obammy, you do it out of love...love for the taste of his genitalia. And don't try to deny it - we can recognize a lovestruck fanboy when we see it.

    Oh yeah...point made!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curly Bill View Post
    You don't work for Obammy, you do it out of love...love for the taste of his genitalia. And don't try to deny it - we can recognize a lovestruck fanboy when we see it.

    Oh yeah...point made!

    From a bunch of people who regurgitate rightwing talking points this is laughable. If you would have let bush **** you in the @ss without a reach around you wouldn't have voted for him twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner8th View Post
    From a bunch of people who regurgitate rightwing talking points this is laughable. If you would have let bush **** you in the @ss without a reach around you wouldn't have voted for him twice.

    825, 000 jobs lost 1.69% average gpd great job!
    I see you didn't deny loving the taste of some Obammy genitalia! Couldn't bring yourself to even think about it could ya?
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