I agree on this point. Louisiana actually had a law in the works which would have done this, but it got shot down because somehow someone thought it was racist.Originally Posted by Ton Loc
I agree on this point. Louisiana actually had a law in the works which would have done this, but it got shot down because somehow someone thought it was racist.
The words conservative or liberal convey idiocy. I'm neither. Neither party is for both stopping the expansion of spending while not cutting anything either.
I'll be labeled a pragmatist, not much else.
Ahh, the always reliable it's racist. When you don't have an intelligent leg to stand on its always there to prop you up.
Doesn't matter - its still a great idea. Better than any idea labeled liberal or conservative.
It takes one to know one, and I know you don't know a damn thing.
Go sit through a few juvenile deprived dockets and hear about the things bad parents do to their kids. They'll do it too for cheap and easy money. I don't care if that money goes to buy drugs or whatever. It's a bet gain for everyone and might fix poverty in a generation.
Quick Answer to the question:
1. You can stop abortions by not having abortions.
Since men don't have abortions, you're halfway there already. Since something like, what? 30-40% of the female population are either Catholic or some flavor of born again, you ought to have those in the 'anti-' camp as well (we'll ignore, for a minute what precise conclusions we can draw regarding the cogency of a position that can not command obdience from religious followers of churchs who declare such policy to be God's will).
That leaves you only having to worry about eliminating abortions in something like 60% of the female half of humanity. And some of them are too young or too old to be sexually active so are out of the game. Seems like you could simply assign one of your zealots to each and every one of them and arm them with a cell phone and binoculars. They could follow those dirty free thinkers around and note times when they might be having sex and then bring in a swat team to follow them even more closely so that a pastor or priest could be HALO'd in for an intervention if they seemed headed toward a clinic.
Or you could just shoot the dirty sluts. (either before or after their sexual activity. Either way it prevents an abortion.)
2. If that doesn't seem feasible, you could aim at getting Roe overturned by the SCOTUS. All you'd need to do there is make sure to elect a president who would appoint an anti-Roe justice, maybe two. So, it's really a question of electing a president who is anti-Roe. Since the position commands such overwhelming majority support of the population, that should be no trick.
No, wait. Something seems unworkable with this strategy, too.
3. I know! you could get state governments to enact laws burdening women desiring abortions or providers. Even if they were blatantly illegal, they'd still stand until shot down by courts of appeal and at least you'd cost the pro-choice folks money. There! That's the ticket.
4. But, what if a hated rich guy, say George Soros, or Bill and Melinda Gates, start offering free bus fare for women who want abortions to travel to places where it is legal and unburdened by bizarro laws? What then? Well, then you might have to pass state laws (since the chances of getting this kind of thing past a federal level house is zippo) forcing women who are pregnant to be identified by medical authorities (maybe you could put little sensors on public toilets and, when a women's urine was detected as having horomonal markers of pregnancy, you could have officers of the law or of a local religious enforcement corps scramble and take her into custody. You could let her family know where they could go to visit her during her confinement) and either put into house arrest or into 'baby farm' facilities where you could keep 'em locked up, like maybe with priests in guard towers, perhaps some concertina wire or an electrified fence to keep 'em in.
Yeah, that'd do it.
Glad I sat down to give it some thought.
"I don't know karate, but I know ka-razor!" - James Brown
You're on a roll.
Abortion is the big issue where entirely too many "conservatives," who generally want to be left alone, and want to leave others alone, attempt to do just the opposite of that by telling women what they can and can't do with their own bodies. As a fellow conservative that's never made any damn sense to me???
Behold the pale horse. The man who sat on him was death, and Hell followed with him.
Olevet Posse Pistolero
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize 2015.
I can agree with you there. It probably stems from the fact that many conservatives are religious and haven't really thought much about how inconsistent their belief system really is. They are not conservatives, they are Conservatives, the kind of folks who call folks RINOs if they don't subscribe to every plank of the party platform, which is in itself more indicative of not being able to think for yourself than having a sound ideology.
Well, it IS murder, and it's not about the woman's bedy. It's the child...tut tut, not a big deal.
Put a lid on it! Kiss it goodbye. We gave it away, and apparently thought it made sense to do so.
I think too many of the anti-abortion folks are against it because they're told they're supposed to be against it. Whether that be at church, by the party, or whatever?? Me, I believe what I believe, and I don't believe I have any right to tell any female, that's not my wife, significant other, or daughter, what she should be doing with her body.
Behold the pale horse. The man who sat on him was death, and Hell followed with him.
Olevet Posse Pistolero
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize 2015.
We'll have to disagree on pretty much everything you said here.
Behold the pale horse. The man who sat on him was death, and Hell followed with him.
Olevet Posse Pistolero
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize 2015.
Murder is the unlawful taking of a human life with malice aforethought, so no, it's not murder.
And your opinion that it is the taking of a human life is just that--your opinion. Hardly grounds to justify the state interfering with the reproductive choices of women. That would be a really scary expansion of state power. If they could control a woman's uterus, what good would it be to call ourselves free anymore?
Might I guess that you're of a generation to remember Goldwater and what being a conservative is really about?
Massive applause, Sir. It's encountering people like you that makes it worth participating in public conversation.
"I don't know karate, but I know ka-razor!" - James Brown
Goldwater is a little before my time, though I am familiar with him. But yeah, if I want others and the govt to stay out of my pocketbook, leave my guns alone, just generally leave me alone, then I think I owe that same consideration to any female that is wrestling with the choice of carrying a child to term or not? Unless I'm related to her, or the unborn child is mine, it's just not ANY of my business.
Behold the pale horse. The man who sat on him was death, and Hell followed with him.
Olevet Posse Pistolero
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize 2015.
so what is the difference to you if she drowns the same kid in the bathtub a few months later?
Agreed. Other people's lives don't interest me until they start costing me money, or running down the country, hoss.
If you can't tell the difference, you're not a smart person.
Now see, this would be murder.
But besides that, that's a pretty lame strawman to throw out there.
Behold the pale horse. The man who sat on him was death, and Hell followed with him.
Olevet Posse Pistolero
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize 2015.
High risk pregnancy specialist, Dr. Steve Calvin, in a letter some years ago to the Arizona Daily Star, wrote, “There is inescapable schizophrenia in aborting a perfectly normal 22 week fetus while at the same hospital, performing intra-uterine surgery on its cousin.” When the unborn are wanted, they are treated as children and patients. When they are not wanted, they are not children. We know what we are doing. From Blue's link. Yep, you're not a smart person.
No, it isn't.
Every time I see these lame-assed abortion threads I cringe. Here's what I suggest so that you all can be more enlightened on the subject instead of just talking out of your collective asses:
Go knock somebody up. Then wait for a couple months. Then take her down and be a part of the decision to abort the child. Be there when the child is aborted. Then a couple years later go ahead and have a couple kids. Let me know how that works out for you. If you don't nearly smother in guilt over your unborn child/children then you're a ****ing socio/psychopath.
Unless you've been an involved party to an abortion then you don't know WTF you're talking about. Sure, you can have a stupid opinion (lord knows there's plenty of them here) but you're pretty much all wet.
I've been there, done that, and trust me, killing a child is killing a child. It's wrong, it's immoral, it's sick, it's perverted, it's twisted, it's ****ing barbaric...but galdammit, it's legal so that makes it peachy OK. Meh.
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