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    Stop DREAMing and Start ACHIEVING

    The pubs' Achieve Act - alternative to the donks' Dream Act

    ACHIEVE Act proposal being floated by some Senate Republicans.

    It appears similar to the conservative alternative to the Dream Act that Sen. Marco Rubio worked on last summer (before President Obama issued his executive order, effectively tabling the issue until after the election).

    Essentially, the proposal involves several tiers: W-1 visa status would allow an immigrant to attend college or serve in the military (they have six years to get a degree). After doing so, they would be eligible to apply for a four-year nonimmigrant work visa (also can be used for graduate degrees.)

    Next, applicants would be eligible to apply for a permanent visa (no welfare benefits.) Finally, after a set number of years, citizenship “could follow…”

    Below are a few of the details being floated to be eligible for the W-1 visa:

    - “Applicant must have lived in the U.S. for five year’s prior to the Act’s enactment”;

    - Must have entered the country before age 14

    - Must have good moral character

    - “Applicant must not have committed a felony, must not have committed more than one misdemeanor with a jail term of more than 30 days, must not have committed a crime of moral turpitude, and must not have a final order of removal pending”‘

    - Must have knowledge of the English language, U.S. history, “and of principles of U.S. government”

    - Applicant must be 28 or younger at time of application (or 32 if they have a bachelor’s degree from a U.S. college);

    - Must pay a $525 fee

    - Must submit to a medical exam and a background check, submit biometric and biographic data, and register with the Selective Service.

    My take: Children who grew up in the U.S. but are undocumented, become — not just a legal issue — but also (as Rubio has said) a humanitarian one.

    Many conservatives, of course, opposed the DREAM Act because it creates a special pathway to citizenship, allowing illegal immigrants to get in line ahead of other immigrants who are following the rules, and potentially creating a problem of chain migration.

    The ACHIEVE Act seems to resolve this problem by granting undocumented children nonimmigrant visas so that they can go to school and work in the U.S., and, after a decade, or so, puts them on the regular pathway towards permanent residence (and potentially, citizenship.)


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    Re: Stop DREAMing and Start ACHIEVING

    Knowledge of the English language?

    Impressive.

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    Re: Stop DREAMing and Start ACHIEVING

    Looks good to me so long as the Bachelor's degree doesn't come from some BS online for-profit college.

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    Sounds fair...

    Tracking them and their progress will be a nightmare...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    Sounds fair...

    Tracking them and their progress will be a nightmare...
    Not really, under the current act, we already do a terrible job of tracking student visas. There's no reason that can't continue.

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    Yeah, they're really setting the bar high for these kids.

    After at least 5 years of being in the US and being
    educated in US grade schools and high schools ...we are going to require them to have "knowledge of the English language, US history, and principles of US government."

    No felonies. Must not have more than one misdemeanor with a 30 day jail term.

    Really tough on them.
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    It is better than the alternative...

    Now let's see what is done about the border and E Verify....

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    Re: Stop DREAMing and Start ACHIEVING

    I'd rather have them "living in the shadows".

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    Re: Stop DREAMing and Start ACHIEVING

    I have been thinking about building an even bigger and badder catapult...

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    Re: Stop DREAMing and Start ACHIEVING

    Do you need the prototype? I've had it mothballed for a couple of years now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Do you need the prototype? I've had it mothballed for a couple of years now.
    Nope...design is in my head...

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    Re: Stop DREAMing and Start ACHIEVING

    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    Sounds fair...

    Tracking them and their progress will be a nightmare...

    This reminds me of Newt Gingrich's comment about how good Visa and Mastercard are at tracking cardholder behavior and how incompetent our gov't is at tracking. He suggested hiring the credit card companies to issue and do the tracking of gov't issued visas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Yeah, they're really setting the bar high for these kids.

    ...we are going to require them to have "knowledge of the English language, US history, and principles of US government."


    Really tough on them.
    As an English professor, I can attest that many American college freshmen do not meet these criteria.
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    Re: Stop DREAMing and Start ACHIEVING

    Okie, I understand your opposition, but what's with the snarky English comment? Neither non-immigrant nor immigrant visas typically require knowledge of English. Naturalization does, but not residency. You should be happy that the standard is included.
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    Re: Stop DREAMing and Start ACHIEVING

    Quote Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    educated in US grade schools and high schools ...we are going to require them to have " US history, and principles of US government."
    ummm....we don't teach US History or government in ele school anymore..well not where I'm at. Math and Reading only... and what is "knowledge"...vs an active participation and learning of..?...
    How do you know if you get there, if you don't know where you are going?..oh and I had 1,713 post on the "other board"..I hate being a rookie again!

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    Actually the NUMBER 1 priority is to CLOSE the frickin boarder FIRST, then worry about who's here.
    How do you know if you get there, if you don't know where you are going?..oh and I had 1,713 post on the "other board"..I hate being a rookie again!

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    Re: Stop DREAMing and Start ACHIEVING

    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner View Post
    Looks good to me so long as the Bachelor's degree doesn't come from some BS online for-profit college.
    Someone is scarred by newspaper stories!
    How can there be too many children?
    That is like saying there are too many flowers.
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    Re: Stop DREAMing and Start ACHIEVING

    Quote Originally Posted by SanJoaquinSooner View Post
    Okie, I understand your opposition, but what's with the snarky English comment? Neither non-immigrant nor immigrant visas typically require knowledge of English. Naturalization does, but not residency. You should be happy that the standard is included.
    Maybe we're tired of seeing immigrants fly the Mezican flag above the U.S. flag?
    How can there be too many children?
    That is like saying there are too many flowers.
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    Re: Stop DREAMing and Start ACHIEVING

    Quote Originally Posted by kevpks View Post
    As an English professor, I can attest that many American college freshmen do not meet these criteria.
    How do you define knowledge? The understanding that there is an English language, that the US has a history and that we have some principles?

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    Re: Stop DREAMing and Start ACHIEVING

    Quote Originally Posted by SanJoaquinSooner View Post
    Okie, I understand your opposition, but what's with the snarky English comment? Neither non-immigrant nor immigrant visas typically require knowledge of English. Naturalization does, but not residency. You should be happy that the standard is included.
    What standard is that?

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