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    Teo's Interception

    I need someone to explain this one to me. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not really up on a lot of the nitty gritty in the football rules. I watched the game, but didn't listen to the teevee commentators, so I don't know what they said. The OU broadcast was fairly convinced it was NOT an interception. After checking the board, I've been fairly surprised at the number of people on here that do think it was an interception. If someone can, I'd like an explanation of that ruling. My interpretation was with the way the ball hit the ground without his hands under it, Teo's catch was pretty much like trapping the ball, which should have been incomplete. I also didn't hear it talked about much during radio post-game shows or on any web news articles. This makes me think I'm wrong about the rule.

    I had a bet with a Notre Dame fan at work, and I've been catching hell from him and my co-workers on Facebook all night. In my rage and frustration, I basically popped off with a comment that said, "How many BJs do ND's donors give the officials to keep getting these controversial replay calls every game?"

    I'd rather have to go to work and try to save face by saying that I misunderstood the rule rather than half-*** apologizing and coming across as a giant tool. Of course, I'd rather be exactly right with my interpretation of the rule. I can still give ND credit for outplaying and outcoaching OU out of one side of my mouth and gripe about how that call took away any chance OU had out of the other side.

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    Re: Teo's Interception

    I'm not a rulesmiester either, so I may stand corrected on what I say here. I think a successful interception has two parts. First part is to successfully get your hands under the ball (no trapping), and second is to maintain control for such a time as to put it away. I got the idea that the first was never in question, per the replays. In other words, he successfully got his hands under the ball, but when his back hit the ground & he rolled over, the ball was bobbled. Then it became a "Did he maintain control?" issue. They replayed it over & over, and the way the announcers ended up (I think Kirk H.)....".....this one could go either way", meaning the replay official could overturn the field ruling of interception or not. Guess they thought there was enough control to not.

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    Re: Teo's Interception

    Not enough evidence to overturn it. One of those plays where the call on the field is crucial.
    With that said there was definitely PI on Saunders that should have been called.

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    Re: Teo's Interception

    Anybody have video of this? I thought it looked like PI in live action too, but after the close/controversial/garbage int they never really showed the replay from far enough back to see.

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    Re: Teo's Interception

    It was clearly DPI and the ball hit the ground...which caused Teo to clearly juggle the ball.

    Not really sure why there should be any debate here.

    That doesn't take away from how Notre Dame's defense absolutely shut our offense down, though. Had that drive continued, I'm not 100% the offense would have been able to continue driving down the field for the game tying score.
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    Re: Teo's Interception

    The ball touched the ground. Then it was bobbled by the defender. No interception!

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    Hand were under the ball but the ball rolled and was bobbled so possession was questionable. Total judgement call.

    The PI should have been called. We were on the weak end of calls the whole game.
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    Re: Teo's Interception

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason White's Third Knee View Post
    Hand were under the ball but the ball rolled and was bobbled so possession was questionable. Total judgement call.

    The PI should have been called. We were on the weak end of calls the whole game.
    We were shutout on calls. 3 crucial calls and we were 0-3.

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    Re: Teo's Interception

    The uncalled PI was the real tragedy on that play.....
    Hey... maybe T BOONE can pony up and start a Stilleater newspaper... but the players would probably just use it to roll the weed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason White's Third Knee View Post
    Hand were under the ball but the ball rolled and was bobbled so possession was questionable. Total judgement call.

    The PI should have been called. We were on the weak end of calls the whole game.
    You are correct that it was PI but that was no judgement call. He had a hand on the ball, it hit the ground jarring it lose.

    I believe the part that is being missed is his other hand was under his hip and not close to the ball. It was a trap where the ground helped him control it. What a joke. Another replay error.

    Of course this doesn't assume we would have scored but it did end the game.
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    Re: Teo's Interception

    Quote Originally Posted by FaninAma View Post
    We were shutout on calls. 3 crucial calls and we were 0-3.
    Every close call went the irish way and the refs on the field were leaving it to the replay booth. If Teo's int had been ruled incomplete on the field, then it would not have been overturned by the booth.

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    Guys, Te'o had possession of the ball BEFORE he went to the ground. "Hand under the ball" is irrelevant, he caught the ball at waist height. As he went to the ground it started to slip out, so the debate was if he demonstrated sufficient control of the ball to count as possession.

    And whether or not it should have been pass interference is another issue entirely. Either way, if the WR had just kept control of the ball instead of bobbling it up in the air, that would have been a spectacular play.
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    Re: Teo's Interception

    I thought he had hands under the ball and certainly not enough evidence that he did not. It looked to me that the impact with the ground to the back of his hands is what caused him to juggle possession. He then regained control w/o the ball ever touching the ground.

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    Re: Teo's Interception

    If he gained possession before going to the ground then it's even more controversial since he clearly did not maintain possession as the ball hit the ground. The ball did hit the ground, his hand was under the ball, and possession was temporarily lost after the ball hit the ground.

    The only way that was an INT is if the ball hitting the ground is as if it never hit the ground IN ALL RESPECTS when his hand is under it. That is not how I interpret the rule.

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    Re: Teo's Interception

    Quote Originally Posted by jkjsooner View Post
    If he gained possession before going to the ground then it's even more controversial since he clearly did not maintain possession as the ball hit the ground. The ball did hit the ground, his hand was under the ball, and possession was temporarily lost after the ball hit the ground.

    The only way that was an INT is if the ball hitting the ground is as if it never hit the ground IN ALL RESPECTS when his hand is under it. That is not how I interpret the rule.
    That's the way I interpret the rule as well. I think his hands were under the ball and it never hit the ground.

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    Re: Teo's Interception

    It did hit the ground. There is no doubt about that.

    My understanding of the rule is that when your hand is under the ball as it hits the ground possession is simultaneous with the ball hitting the ground and the benefit is by rule given to the receiver. However full possession was not maintained at that point.

    Anyway I could be wrong with my interpretation. Either way what happened wad clear in the video. It is not a judgement call. It is simply a matter of rules.

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    Re: Teo's Interception

    Quote Originally Posted by jkjsooner View Post
    It did hit the ground. There is no doubt about that.
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    You are wrong about doubt because I don't think it ever hit the ground and the big12 replay refs agree. I would go as far as to say that it may have been overturned had it been called incomplete. That would have been much more likely than overturning the INT call. The only place there is no doubt the ball hit the ground is in your mind.

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    It was clearly PI before the INT
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    Re: Teo's Interception

    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeSOONER View Post
    It was clearly PI before the INT
    May have been, I never got a good look - I'll have to watch the replay. LJ was certainly trying to put the ball into a small window.

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    Re: Teo's Interception

    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderSooner79 View Post
    I think his hands were under the ball and it never hit the ground.
    This is not true. There is a replay angle clearly showing the ball on the ground. While he was in the act of catching it but before he bobbled.
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