Lance Armstrong has stepped down from the chairmanship of his LiveStrong organization. Has it been mused here that maybe Cheryl split because she knew he was a huge hypocrite?
Lance Armstrong has stepped down from the chairmanship of his LiveStrong organization. Has it been mused here that maybe Cheryl split because she knew he was a huge hypocrite?
"I'm going to request that you stop posting in this thread." - circa 2008
"Why does there have to be so much immature stuff on here?" - circa 2010
The recent report with all of his former teammates and everyone else pretty much ruined any credibility he had left. And he's been cast a gigantic jerk through all of this as well.
For awhile, I thought "Meh, so he out-cheats the sport filled with cheaters" or even "Cancer boy beat all the non-cancer riders at their own doping game!" but really, I'm through with that.
It's really too bad cycling has become such a druggie sport, because it's a fun sport to participate in and watch (we have an event up here in Tulsa called "Tulsa Tough" that brings all levels of riders in to crash and burn on Tulsa streets hehe).
But... for everyone that thought that sports would be find with drug use, so long as everyone had a level playing field of drug availability, this is what it ends up as --- a bunch of lying cheaters that have no credibility and no respect.
Can anyone link the recent report?
Olevet Posse - Dirty LibOriginally Posted by yermom
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...,4090858.story
Add to it, Nike dumped him rather unceremoniously...
http://deadspin.com/5952466/nike-dum...t-way-possible
SoonerinabileneOh sweet jesus. Its like watching the special olympics in high definition on here now.
i say they make him compete at the next tour de france, but instead of shooting roids, he is req'd to shoot up heroin. if he wins the race, give him back all his ****.
this is bull****
For fun and lulz. And maybe
In a nutshell, cancer was his shield against criticism. Why wasn't he outed as a liar? Because cancer. How could he orchestrate so much doping within his sport? Because cancer. Why was anyone that ever questioned his accomplishments dismissed as a jealous critic? Because cancer.
Since he's a cheating tool and all, can we now call him a dirty cheating whorn?
SoonerinabileneOh sweet jesus. Its like watching the special olympics in high definition on here now.
If whatever he was using couldn't be found for 7 years....and all it did was increase the lungs use of getting oxygen to the bloodstream and it isn't anything that gives muscle mass or grows back his testicle or make him super human then the Olympics better start checking those Kenyans and Ethiopians for drugs. Plus we all still wonder how any Jamacian passes the drug testing for the Olympics or anything that requires a drug test.
I think he probably stumbled onto the drug when trying to save his life. If it one day becomes something that extended our lives or was a part of a cancer regimen that led to a cure.....would he still be a bad guy?
I think the French and Europeans he handed their *** to have been waiting for the day where they can hang Lance in a court of public opinion. I think it's amazing he survived all he did and competed at such a high level and if this couldn't be caught for years...what else are they missing?
This is just sour grapes and a part of a Witch Hunt that has gone on way to long. Everyone of those folks are doing something more than the everyday person.
As someone that has had more than one Family Member that have fought and some lost the fight to Cancer, this quote really expresses my feelings about Lance and what he meant to many people who lost their battle as well as people who are still fighting such an ominous illness.
http://espn.go.com/espnw/mobile/touc...rnished-legacyWhether or not he doped really doesn't matter. His legacy transcends the rules of the corrupt sport of cycling. He gave people something to believe in, and that's something no committee can take away from him.
Troop, you may have found the one thing that can save Lance's legacy. And it would be a much bigger story than Lance overcoming cancer to win 7 le tours.I think he probably stumbled onto the drug when trying to save his life. If it one day becomes something that extended our lives or was a part of a cancer regimen that led to a cure.....would he still be a bad guy?
Much like Magic Johnson survived (and continued competing in the NBA) with AIDS, I think that what people that die from cancer and AIDS might be missing is... superhuman athletic ability, and the active, healthy lifestyle that goes along with it. I'm not saying that athletes with cancer and AIDs don't die from it, I'm saying that active, healthy athletes are much less likely to die quickly than, say, couch potatoes, the elderly, those that already have weakened immune systems from other illnesses, etc.I think it's amazing he survived all he did and competed at such a high level and if this couldn't be caught for years...what else are they missing?
+1
I firmly believe that consistent exercise is one of the best preventatives (and cures from re-occurring) cancer. Exercise boosts mood with natural endorphins, boosts your immune system and in general keeps your body running more efficiently. In addition, people who exercise are more likely to have healthier diets, thus farther warding off disease. You don't have to be a gifted natural athlete with freakish abilities to get off the couch and take a few walks (and eventually runs) around the block or to pop in an exercise DVD and go to town on it. At the most, staying physically active will help prevent me from getting cancer again. At the worst..... well, at least I will look good at my funeral.
What I know about the sport of biking and doping in that sport could fill a thimble with enough room leftover for Diaz's playbook, so I hesitate to make a judgement call on whether or not what Armstrong did was to be criticized or not.
Well....they damn sure don't stay active and healthy with Chemo running through a port in their chest. Also it's really much more than one thing. The notoriety he got came from the Tour and the Witch Hunt. Anyone that thinks that hunt was just a little thing that led to him becoming a cheat or a liar is really missing all the things he did along the way. They came at him the instant he won in once. He then continued to win. He didn't do that alone. He had a great Team behind him and allowing those smug POS that run the Tour to do this is a slap in the face. It's worse than anyone that believes he really had this huge advantage over the other riders. The big advantage was the Team he had. The larger problems he had was the fight he had against Cancer and juggling what the Doctors told him he needed to do and still be able to compete in the Tour that has allowed him to be such an inspiration to others who needed such a hero.
Yes, because he a lying cheater. There are plenty of PED's (including steriods) that have legitimate medical uses but that doesn't justify cheating and lying about it.
That's such bullcrap. Magic Johnson played basketball long before the normal onset of AIDS symptons. Being HIV positive should have no impact on a person until in the onset of AIDS. Had it not been for the drugs that were developed soon after his diagnosis he would be dead now no matter how how healthy he tried to be.
As for Armstrong, his beating cancer probably had a lot more to do with the nature of his cancer than his healthy lifestyle. I'm not saying that being in shape and healthy won't help your odds a little but let's not overstate it. If you have a crappy form of fast growing cancer that doesn't respond to drugs you are going to die - world champion cyclist or not.
Theory: Lance obviously doesn't need me piling on his back screaming at the top of my lungs that he's a lying cheater.
I'm out. You do what you want.
I finally read this week's SI and it had an interesting article following this stuff up (fyi this morning, UCI stripped the 7 le tour titles from Lance) and said that the EPO might have actually not caused the cancer, but provoke the tumors.
I cannot find a link to the article, but I remember it citing that the treatment for cancer is to weaken the system... and performance enhancers pretty much do the opposite.
I really don't know what specifically each drug does that Lance allegedly took and ordered his teammates to also take at his drug doctor's orders and all of that, but it has been stated that he took performance enhancers before the onset of his cancer and that his cancer doctors wanted to know about EVERY supplement and drug he took, so that they could better understand how to save his life.
In any event, I don't think the performance enhancers cured his cancer... but if they helped the onset, that might help doctors finally find a cure.
I find it hilarious that Armstrong was hunted for so long by so many government sponsored labs with massive investigative budgets and police powers and it still took them what, 20 years?, to finally crush him.
He pissed in bottles for half of ever and they never got him.
Dick Pound is an effing tool who lives in a world of gentlemen athletes that disappeared in the 1940's if it ever existed at all.
Now, years after retirement, USADA and others are finally able to find something.
They make the NCAA look fair, balanced and quick.
"I don't know karate, but I know ka-razor!" - James Brown
They mentiond in that SI article that the EPO test took a lot of money and time to develop... but not nearly as long for Lance's doctor to find workaround methods... and really lame ones at that.
Vegetable oil with EPO apparently masks it in minutes. Or, the easiest test-avoidance of them all-- pretend you're not home. Apparently college athletes do this a lot. If you get an early AM call, some grunt in the AD office will say "You have been randomly selected for a drug test. If you are not here in an hour you fail." If they don't answer, they call the next one and keep trying till they reach someone.
My personal read is that Pound and the others on the enforcement side are:
a) Wannabes who were never good enough to be athletes themselves. It somehow makes them less humiliated if they can tear down athletes who have succeeded.
b) eternally butthurt that these, these, these.....sportsmen are making beaucoup dollars for playing games. Why, they're making more money than people wearing suits, working in offices, like NCAA/USADA officials.
Little people.
"I don't know karate, but I know ka-razor!" - James Brown
I've thought for years that if he was taken stuff, that it probably is what caused the cancer or helped it grow..Looking at the guys who have passed on and the types of cancers they died from/survived.
Whatever the case, may he live a long life.
Bazinga
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